Get Back-Part Three

I used to ski with Scott Brooksbank, the World Freestyle Champion. Every day he was just one of us, but when he hit competition he took it up a notch, he was SPECTACULAR!

As were the Beatles on the roof of the Apple building.

You can’t appreciate how great they were unless you’ve watched the previous seven hours. The noodling, the disagreements, the endless repetition, the tweaking… Like they say, the more they played certain numbers they got tired and the productions got worse. The definitive statements were elusive. As a matter of fact, in some cases the definitive recordings, the ones that ultimately appeared on the “Let It Be” album, were cut live, outside, and that’s positively jaw-dropping, especially in this day of Pro Tools and hard drives and…

It’s funny how Paul, the driving force of the project, is reluctant to hit the roof. Whereas John and Ringo are into it, it’s a lark, why not? It’ll be a new and different experience, it may not work out. But Paul is gun-shy. It’s not exactly clear why, whether it’s the raw fear or the feeling it’s not the proper conclusion to the film.

And it is film, with big heavy cameras. You see that at the end of this documentary, when we see the slate and the other intrusions the filmmakers make. How inhibiting! Then again, most creative people require complete silence or complete noise, they need to be in their heads, with their thoughts resonating.

Which also makes it hard to understand the presence of Heather McCartney. Talk about intrusive. But Paul’s got time for her, and in truth how long was she there really? There was so much footage, and so much unshot, ultimately you could make any film you wanted, positive or negative. The 1970 version was negative, this is positively positive. Sure, George leaves the band, but in retrospect, was he really leaving? He is certainly integrated after the fact.

And place matters. Twickenham did not have the right vibe. A smaller room with all the clutter did. And it’s fascinating how they’re using brand new Fender amps and PAs, no one seemed to use Fender PAs thereafter. As for these latest Fender amps? They were all transistor based, the cognoscenti pooh-poohed them, tubes rule, but now there is some affection for this CBS era gear. Imagine, a record company owning a musical instrument company! Then again, the conglomerate ultimately owned the Yankees. It’s kinda like a Don Henley song, they build ’em up and then they tear them back down. Gulf + Western, aka Engulf + Devour, bought Paramount Pictures in the sixties. Coca-Cola even owned a movie studio. Now they’re selling GE for parts. Turns out the so-called greatest manager of the century, Jack Welch, cooked the books to show a steady profit and left Jeffrey Immelt with an unmanageable company, not that Immelt rose to the challenge.

So as the episode moves on there’s a discussion of what they’re actually doing. Is it an album, a movie, a TV show, or..? And what is made clear is it’s the Beatles decision. This was the sixties, the acts took charge, and since the Tommy Mottola era their power has been slowly whittled away. But the artists know best, not that they really know, they’re just on an endless quest until it feels right.

So for an album they need fourteen songs. But they’ve only got seven. But in reality maybe they have fourteen. And then it occurs to you that rummaging through these tapes to create an LP would be very difficult, which is why they abandoned the project and ultimately left it to Phil Spector. Would I hate “The Long and Winding Road” as much without Phil’s strings? It resonates much more in its naked version in the documentary.

And the whole concept of writing in the studio. As for everybody marveling how Paul McCartney created “Get Back” on camera out of thin air, I don’t buy it. He probably had the elements in hand before the cameras turned on. Having said that, watching the band spontaneously add and change words, and watching George work with Ringo on “Octopus’s Garden,” is revelatory. George says it’s got to RESOLVE! There is a method to the madness, they know all the chords, they’ve paid all those dues on stage previously, as demonstrated when they spontaneously play the fifties classics. Records are finite, but until they’re finished, they’re fluid.

And you see George Martin finally weigh in. And John Lennon is more amenable.

And then comes the roof.

First, will the structure support the weight?

Then there’s the set-up. With Glyn Johns and George Martin downstairs in the control room. But there’s a tape op on set with a Nagra. Nagra, the state of the art, what all the Grateful Dead shows were recorded on. Rare and expensive Swiss machines with utmost quality, normally used for films.

And Mal has the drums nailed down wrong. When did they start nailing down drums, and did they do it at every gig?

And it’s cold. And there’s fur, a no-no today. And despite being hesitant, Paul’s got on his look, and then…

THEY START TO PLAY AND IT’S AMAZING, ASTOUNDING!

You almost can’t believe it. Sure, there were moments of perfection in the studio, mostly with the vocals, sometimes with the instruments, but it never ever sounded THIS GOOD!

It’s a band. Not the kind of band you see in an arena today, but the kind of band that permeated the landscape in the sixties, they were everywhere, oftentimes with the same construction: drums, bass and two guitars. Occasionally you got a keyboard player, like Mike Smith in the Dave Clark Five, and a lead singer sans instrument, like Eric Burdon in the Animals, but one thing is for sure, everywhere you went people were forming bands, live music was everywhere.

But how can it sound so good without modern effects? Without backup musicians? Without hard drives?

Not only Paul’s voice, but John’s guitar playing, he’s picking the notes and they sound just right. And Ringo proves his worth after being an afterthought so much of the time downstairs. And you watch George Harrison and you realize this guy invented so much of this, he was there first. He’s talking about Eric, but he’s no slouch.

But it’s the way they come together that astounds. It’s a mellifluous sound.

And they play long enough for you to analyze. What sounds good at the gig oftentimes doesn’t sound good at home, you were caught up in the moment, filling in the gaps. But the Beatles on the roof sound…well, a bit rougher and noisier, but mostly it’s the energy of a live performance, different from a studio concoction, it breathes, it’s alive!

But not only is reluctant Paul delivering, he’s INTO IT! The way he twists his body, he’s got the music in him.

As for John… He’s bouncing like he did on Ed Sullivan. Almost like a frog. They’re musicians, not stars. They’re doing their jobs and we can just watch, with our jaws dropped.

They’re so comfortable, they haven’t played live for years, but there’s no rust to shake off, they’re right back into it. And you can see the band before the studio productions, when the albums were cut nearly instantly and the band made its bones on the road.

As for the assembled multitude…

It’s unclear how good the sound is on the street, and you certainly can’t see the band. But one thing is very clear, everybody’s so OLD! People don’t get old anymore. They dress young and hip, even if they don’t get plastic surgery. And almost no one is this formal anymore. And mostly the band gets kudos, as for the naysayers…you wouldn’t get that today, then again if it was hip-hop…

As for the Bobbies… Doesn’t that strap on your chin annoy you? And then one cop starts chewing on his!

And then there’s the subterfuge. The sincere lying, the dissuasion, of Mal Evans and others. This happens all the time. There are layers of interference protecting the band, allowing them to do what they want. And even when the Bobbies get to the roof Mal keeps them at bay, ultimately turns off the amplifiers but the musicians turn them back on, and keep playing.

As for the Bobbies… I can’t believe they’ve got their names. Where are those guys today? Never mind the Apple receptionist, Debbie Wellum. (See a cast list here: https://bit.ly/3DioU4w) It was a long, long, time ago. Hell, “American Pie” is fifty years old!

And when you hear the casual asides, never mind the music, that end up on the final album your adrenaline spikes. The circle of life is complete.

And then it’s over. But not really. The rooftop was not finality, there’s more recording to be done, they’re back in the studio the next day. But before that… They wanted to keep recording that afternoon/evening, but the instruments were still on the roof and ultimately they’re all sitting in the control room, listening to the playback, grooving. No airs, it’s just them.

And now you know why you wanted to be them. For a zillion reasons, not only the money and the perks, but the ability to play, channel their thoughts and emotions AND LIVE BY THEIR OWN RULES! Freedom, and not the kind that allows you to avoid getting a vaccine. The Beatles were leaders, they kept looking forward, unlike Jo Jo, they didn’t want to get back to where they once belonged, rather the four of them wanted to get on the 909 and experience life and its tribulations, to ultimately distill it into music.

So it’s cognitive dissonance. You’re watching the documentary and you think you’re in the present, but you’re firmly in the past, which has already been written. The recording equipment, the automobiles, the clothing…they’re all passé, yet the music is curiously modern. It was created on barely more than a whim, and it’s FOREVER!

So ultimately the pace of the beginning pays off in the end, with the rooftop performance. You feel what the band feels, you see the challenge, and you’re overwhelmed by the delivery.

But it wouldn’t go down that way today. Because everything is fixed in post. To the point where almost nothing is alive and kicking. And it’s humanity we’re looking for. We want our machines to be perfect, but not our art.

But that’s it, done, definitive.

John and George are dead. John by the bullet of a deranged assassin, George by lung cancer… You’re astounded everybody in the film is not dead from lung cancer, they’re smoking up a storm, everybody’s a chimney. Remember when you could smoke in public buildings?

Oh that’s right, most people weren’t born or conscious when this was the case. So many commenting on the Beatles were not there the first time around. Sure, you can listen to the records but you don’t know the experience. Just like you can listen to Robert Johnson but really have no idea what it was like being an itinerant blues musician a hundred years ago.

But if you were there, you not only remember the Beatles, but the clothing, what you were doing. Life was going on while the Beatles were playing and recording. You were going to school, or working. And music was not everywhere, there were no smartphones, never mind portable tape players. And you couldn’t afford everything. So the albums you did purchase you played ad infinitum, you know them by heart, not only the tunes, but the clicks and skips.

That was then and this is now.

Turns out history is not written in stone. During the recording of what ultimately became the “Let It Be” album it turns out the boys were not at each other’s throats, the band was not about to implode, that was a narrative that took hold when the “Let It Be” movie and album were released after the subsequently cut “Abbey Road,” after “McCartney” had already come out.

But the band had to break up, for so many reasons. We didn’t want it to, but life is a journey, and you can’t cripple someone’s trip. Which is why parents should guide their children but not dictate to them.

And John was still an impressionable child, mesmerized by Allen Klein, even though Glyn Johns lays out a detailed case why the manager should not be trusted. In retrospect, Paul was right. But charlatans will always permeate the music business, you need someone to speak to your dreams, to speak to the suits, to make you feel you’ve got an advocate on your side. But it’s a rare manager who can subjugate their priorities to those of the band. I’ll make it simple, if the band doesn’t work the manager doesn’t get paid, and managers want to get paid, which is why so many bands tour year after year.

So now what?

Turns out no one could ever replicate the Beatles’ success. Not only did we never get a new Beatles, no one even makes this music anymore, especially today, it’s too hard. You’ve got to have experience, you’ve got to have talent, you’ve got to have not only chops, but great voices. You’ve got to be willing to fly without a net, and continue to do this even when the financial struggle is in the rearview mirror.

And you’ve got to cut records with melody and changes that people can sing along to, that they can’t get out of their head.

That’s the Beatles. Demonstrated exquisitely, at length, in “Get Back.” You can watch it as nostalgia, you can watch it as a learning experience, or you can watch it to be inspired. Yes, that’s the ultimate lesson, you’ve got to put one foot in front of the other, you’ve got to risk, you’ve got to do it.

Dig it?

Brinsley Schwarz-This Week’s Podcast

Brinsley Schwarz was a king of the pub rock scene with his own band and then became a member of the Rumour, which backed up Graham Parker and ultimately released records under its own moniker. Brinsley went on to work as a guitar tech in a music shop and then reunited with Graham Parker after getting over his fear of flying. Listen to the story of a journeyman who was never a star, but made a life out of music, who has a new album to boot!

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/brinsley-schwarz/id1316200737?i=1000543732505

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https://www.stitcher.com/show/the-bob-lefsetz-podcast

The Power Of The Dog

Trailer: https://bit.ly/3pCfkoz

I thought it was based on the Don Winslow book.

When I know I’m going to see a movie I don’t read the reviews. The unfolding experience is what entrances me, which is why I’m so pissed that trailers reveal so much. Then again, I never go to the movies anymore so I don’t see trailers. “The Power of the Dog” is playing in theatres, but today it opened on Netflix.

There is no buzz, none that I can feel. But when it comes to streaming TV it’s all viewer generated, and it happens slowly, but I don’t think there will be a huge groundswell of “The Power of the Dog” viewers, because it’s so slow at the beginning.

They’re in Montana, endlessly beautiful, but I hung on through the credits to find out where they shot it and it turns out New Zealand, chalking up another mark to visit the country where I have only been to the airport.

So what you’ve got here is a western set in Montana in 1925, not a cross-border dope dealing movie like I thought. Although it took me a while to realize it wasn’t. I was waiting for my memory of the book to kick in, and it never did. But you should read “The Power of the Dog” trilogy. It’s pulpy and far from highbrow but it’s eminently readable and will keep you hooked, as it educates you on dope in America.

But like I said, this movie is not that book. Rather it’s based on a obscure fifty year old novel. Jane Campion wrote the screenplay. And as I’m watching the film unfold I’m remembering, as great as Campion is, her films are usually very slow.

So I’ll tell you, up until nearly the end I wasn’t impressed. I had no desire to write about “The Power of the Dog.” But when it was over…

I misunderstood what was happening. I needed Felice to explain it. And then I’m running through the scenes in my head, figuring it out. Then I’m discussing it with Felice again. Finally, I have to go online to research, I wanted more, needed more, I wanted to make sure I understood the film correctly.

This is what moviegoing experiences used to be like. This is what the golden age of cinema was all about, the late sixties into the seventies, all the way up to the eighties, when the blockbuster paradigm instituted by Steven Spielberg’s “Jaws” took hold and the film business was forever altered. Before that there was no talk of tentpoles, not every film was required to be a blockbuster, and superheroes were rare, never mind cartoons. I mean you see a Marvel movie and what is there to say?

So… I never would have gone to the theatre to see “The Power of the Dog.” I don’t want to waste that much time. I can’t be late. So I go early. And I’ve got to budget for traffic and endure the aforementioned trailers and… One of the main reasons I don’t go, other than Covid, is I’ve found I can’t slow down enough for them. My regular life has my brain firing and the experience is unsatisfactory.

And to be honest, my brain was firing during the initial scenes of “The Power of the Dog” and then…

Did I need to see this to the end? Was Felice mad that I made her watch it, the day it came out, telling her about it all day?

The cinematography is astounding. And unless you’ve got an OLED TV you’ll miss something, it’ll be better on the big screen, you need those blacks, that contrast.

So, you get hooked by the movie, you’re trying to figure out the plot, and then it’s over and you wonder WHAT HAPPENED?

“The Power of the Dog” is a bit too highbrow for it to become a streaming phenomenon. But I will tell you that if it didn’t open within a week of its big screen debut, I probably never would have watched it when it finally came to pay cable, even streaming services. The heat is off. Whereas opening day on Netflix, the heat is on!

So it’s two hours and change. You’ve got to commit. It’s not painful, but at first you will not be riveted. But then you’ll be drawn in…

Jesse Plemons as brother George is always good, although he always has the same slow, stilted delivery in every film, I wonder how he talks in real life.

As far as Benedict Cumberbatch… I’ve missed seemingly everything he’s done other than “Sherlock Holmes,” so…he’s good, and different.

Now if you check RottenTomatoes, “The Power of the Dog” has a 95% critics rating and a 76% audience rating, which is exactly what I expected. “The Power of the Dog” is not for everybody. But if the foregoing resonates, if you’re a fan of art house cinema, if you can spend the time to get the dividend, I highly recommend it. Because it will get you thinking, it will stick with you.

Donny & Chris

DONNY OSMOND:

Best…podcast ..EVER! 

James Spencer

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I didn’t think you’d match the Paul Anka so soon, but you did! His honest answers to your blunt questions were awesome, and the little digressions (“why Android instead of Apple?”) were great too. I loved it!

Mark B. Spiegel

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I just listened to the Spotify interview interview you did with Donny Osmond. It was fabulous!  You were wondering if Donny was for real. Yes, he is. He has both feet planted on the ground, but can look ahead and look behind and still be present. He is as nice as he seems.  When you talk with him,  you feel like he’s your best friend. 

Be healthy, stay strong,  live safely

Randy Fuchs

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You have interviewed so many cool people on your podcast – who would ever guess that two of the most fascinating would be Paul Anka and Donny Osmond? Donny seemed a little tough to crack open, and he wouldn’t go all the way, but tons of interesting info was revealed. Lots of inside “showbiz” stuff. Nicely done!

Rich Madow

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Great interview with Donny. 

I would have to guess that you haven’t been the recipient of the amazing birthday ecard he did for American Greetings online, otherwise you would have mentioned it. It’s the best one out there, far and away better than Shaq’s or Dolly’s, which are both really good, don’t get me wrong, but Donny’s production is at another level. https://www.americangreetings.com/

Since I don’t know when your birthday really is, I just sent you the Donny ecard to witness for yourself. Enjoy!

BTW, dunno about you, but I quit having birthdays years ago. Of course, that hasn’t stopped me from reminding others of theirs!

Larry Butler

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another good one. You are the Charlie Rose for the music industry. Good Questions

Kyle J. Ferraro

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Killer interview. You are right on – his self-awareness is really rare, and in addition to his other-worldly talent, it’s what has enabled him to keep it alive.  

He’s also genuinely as nice as he seems. In the early ’90s he was in Toronto doing Joseph and the Amazing Technicolor Dreamcoat, and I was President of EMI Music Publishing. Donny was signed to Virgin publishing, which EMI had just acquired. He reached out to invite my family to see the show. We had great seats, he put on an incredible performance, and when it was over we the followed instructions to stay in our seats. When the theater was empty someone came and ushered us  into his dressing room. Donny was incredibly gracious, letting my 7 year old son TJ try on his coat, and entertaining us for about half an hour.  That was nearly 30 years ago and my wife still talks about it.

Donny told you about the Canadian National Exhibition shows where he met Michael Jackson. My first industry job was at Jack Richardson’s Nimbus Nine studio, and his son Cub was at those shows. I vividly recall him the next day saying “nobody will ever believe this but Donny Osmond and his brothers absolutely blew Michael Jackson and his brothers off the stage”. I’ve had great respect for his talent ever since.

Best,

Michael McCarty

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I didn’t think I’d like it.   But if you chose to interview him, there must be something there. Impressive guy and clearly super talented.  Great interview.  Good questions.

Lizzz Kritzer

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I just finished listening to this and was amazed at DO’s business acumen.  His unwillingness to give up was inspiring as hell!  He’s on top, then broke, reinvents himself to please himself artistically.  The fire in his belly still burns!!!!

Tim Pringle

I worked Marie gigs here and there when she was signed to Columbia and I was in college. Donny would sometimes play those gigs with her. I found them both to be polite, profession…just nice people. I don’t care what their public image is, as you said…they are good apples!
 
Jim Lewi

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One of the greatest guys I ever interviewed.

Jonathan Gross

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one of my most favorite ever.  what a life..what a guy!!

Gary W. Mendel

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As you may recall, in Jeff Beck’s video for ‘Ambitious’ directed by Jim Yukich for Epic (1985), various array of singers step-up to audition as the vocalist for Jeff Beck. In a surprise, amongst celebrity cameos, Donny Osmond appears in the audition line-up and has a tongue-in cheek response when asked if he has done anything lately? This was a brilliant clip to bring Jeff Beck to the MTV world and was equally as hip for Donny Osmond at the time. It was a great way for Donny to poke fun at himself and associate with an artist who has street cred like Jeff Beck – setting up his a potential comeback for the child star. (Clip also features guest appearances by Parker Stevenson, Marilyn McCoo, Herve Villechaize, John Butcher Axis, Cheech Marin, Dr. Joyce Brothers, Phil Alvin (Blasters), Willie Tyler & Lester, and Herb Alpert). 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbpQf22c494

Bruce Barrow 

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Quick story about Donny. I was a freelance concert reviewer for the New York Daily News (’88-’93.) He did a show at the Palladium in NYC back in ’89 when “Soldier of Love” was out. I dug him and took that angle for the review. I later heard he called the News and asked for me; he wanted to thank me for the review. In all my time at the newspaper, he was the only performer to do that. I dig Donny.

Matt Auerbach.

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Crazy Horses – one of the great lost classic rock albums of the 1970’s…

Vince Welsh

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Really enjoyed the Donny Osmond podcast in part because I was working in promotion at Capitol during Soldier Of Love. He’s as genuine as he comes across. A pleasure to work with and a really good guy. 

If you end up having dinner or speaking with him again please make a gentle reminder about putting the single version of Soldier on Spotify. 

Thanks Bob.

Frank Murray

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Listened to the Donny podcast. I played in his touring band for 6 yrs, 2001-2007. Its funny about how he mentions that his name is poison, because when I first got the call from Phil Ramone’s assistant (Phil had just produced an album for Donny and got involved with our first tour), it was, ‘I won’t tell you the artists name yet, but can you do a tour for ‘X Dollars’ a week”. I said yes and then had second thoughts when I found out it was Donny, but it turned out to be a really fun gig.  He’s a way better musician than I had imagined…hired stellar musicians, rehearsed our butts off, and the gig was always smokin’. One thing I was surprised about was…. how huge he was/is in the UK. We played theaters and casinos in the states, but arenas in the UK and it really was insanity. At the end of the interview you asked if you were getting the real guy, because he always sounds on. I would say yes you were, that’s him, always up, energetic and looking forward, a true pro. 

FRANK VILARDI

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best podcast interview of year.
@Lefsetz is the best interviewer in podcasts, @donnyosmond
is the truth

@makeamoveUKCAN

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I consider You the finest interviewer around.  

When you had Bode Miller on your podcast, I almost did not listen as I don’t follow skiing at all, last time I was skiing was when I was 17 ( I’m 64 now), but I figure your interviews are always great, loved hearing Bode.  Next was Paul Anka , I know some of his top songs, but 2 hours of him, again excellent interview.

This week with Donny Osmond, I had the same thoughts, I am the same age as Donny but I never listened to his music,  when he was young it was too bubblegum for me, and when he tried to position himself as a adult singer after Michael Jackson’s success with Thriller, I sampled a bit and thought he was trying to hard.  I totally enjoyed the interview, was sorry when it ended after only 130 minutes. 

I found him to be real, friendly and open, of course we all know he is doing interviews for the publicity, I have heard enough to know when the interviewee is going thru the motions.   I will try and seek out some of his later stuff on Apple Music or iff not available on YouTube.  

I love your podcasts and the SiriusXM show.

Tom Melle

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CHRIS KIMSEY:

Dear Bob, the Kimsey podcast was the most entertaining I have ever listened to. BRAVO. Joel

Joel Sercarz

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Hi Bob, the interview with Chris was a total grand slam. He is such a fabulous storyteller and remembers everything! There are so many things about his storied career nobody could really know about until now. I urge everyone to listen and learn. I wanna meet him! 

Danny Melnick
Absolutely Live Entertainment

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One of your best interviews/interviewees ever, which must become a book/author/+.  
Talk about two keen minds/memories for this beautifully crafted composition beautifully played!  We all thank you both. 
Please share our appreciation with Chris Kimsey

Don Brannon

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Thoroughly enjoyed your podcast with Chris Kimsey, Bob. What a humble, forthright guy. You can see why everyone he’s worked with has stayed friends with him. Once again, you were a great facilitator in drawing him out. Thank you

Mark Doyle

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This was great!  Thanks for pushing for some technical details!  Love that stuff!

Anthony Goddess

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A great interview of a guy behind the scenes who played  an integral part of so many recordings. And a nice guy as well! It’s interesting that a lot of people in the music industry didn’t make a lot of money or got cut out of the revenue stream.

Ron Maiorino

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To my #1 podcast of 2021, The Bob Lefsetz Podcast: thank you for keeping me company on @Spotify all year long! #SpotifyWrapped

Anthony J. Resta

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industry…lastest with Chris Kimsey excellent

Blair Morgan