M. Shadows-This Week’s Podcast

Matt Sanders, aka M. Shadows, is the lead singer of Avenged Sevenfold. We discuss the band, but most of our talk is about crypto and NFTs and the innovative way Avenged Sevenfold is employing them. This is not selling worthless art, this is about empowering the band’s hard core fans to evangelize. You’ll be fascinated, I guarantee it.

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/m-shadows/id1316200737?i=1000555811007

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https://www.stitcher.com/show/the-bob-lefsetz-podcast/episode/m-shadows-201920025

Re-Bob Seger

Loved your take on Bob Seger! I’ve worked as a background, & session singer and percussion player with him for over 40 years….  He’s one of the best tunesmiths of our time, still underrated, but I have to say that there  wasn’t a dry eye in the place on our last show on November 1, 2019! I can only say that we all were honored to have played with him all these years!!!

Thank you,

Shaun Murphy

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In 1972 when I was in the band Spirit, Bob opened shows for us.  Although “Ramblin’ Gamblin’ Man” had already done well, he was still traveling in a camper van.  After a gig in Florida, we all plied in his van and hit a couple of bars.  What a great friendly guy grinding it out on the road.  Bob Seeger is a guy you’re happy to see have the kind of success he had in the 70’s and 80’s that allows him to go on the road when he wants to.  I was told that when “Like a Rock” became a year after year commercial for Chevrolet, the road was no longer a necessity.  If so, good for him.  He deserved it.

Al Staehely

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Bob, your summary about Seger and your mom jumbled this memory loose in my head:

I once had a free tickets to see Seger at the Palace of Auburn Hills about 5 or 10 years ago. I called my mom, asked her if she wanted to go. She declined.  “I already saw him.” What? When!

She replied, with no hint of irony, “He played at my eighth grade graduation in the school gym.”

Leave it to moms…

Mike Vial

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Bob Seger was the first person I saw live on stage. December 9, 1974, my first rock concert at the Capital Centre in Largo, MD in the DC suburbs: Bachman-Turner Overdrive was the headliner, with Blue Oyster Cult as the middle act. The opener? Bob Seger and the Silver Bullet Band. I didn’t know any of his music except for Ramblin’ Gamblin’ Man, but I remembered the name and when Live Bullet came out in Spring 1976 I bought it as well as the follow-up Night Moves in Fall 1976. I have been a fan ever since. I have Live Bullet on my Sonos system now; it’s still one of the best live albums!

Carl Nelson

Columbia (moved from Ellicott City), MD

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Rambling Gamblin Man: my fave in 5th grade.

– Bruce Gow

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The idea to meld Travelling Man and Beautiful Loser in live shows was his drummer’s, Charlie Martin. They fit like a glove!

Great read.

– Dante Canil, Victoria, Canada

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Great take on this, Bob. I sub for the regular guitarist in a Creedence/Seger tribute band occasionally and Travelin’ Man/ Beautiful Loser is my favorite part of the show. All these years later, it still fires up an audience.

Michael Gregory

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Hey Bob, I was in a band named Medusa that played a lot of clubs in Cleveland, Columbus, Detroit in the late 60’s. We opened for Bob Seger Friday nights at the Sugar Shack in Columbus. It was Bob Seger and the Last Heard and  they had a 45 single which was really popular on the OSU campus. You can hear the lyrical and delivery influences of Bob Dylan’s Subterranean Homesick Blues, with a Bo Diddley beat and a Ted Nugent/ Amboy Dukes pschedelic lead guitar. This song made me a Seger fan.  XO,   Shy Hood

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEu5kTAvuFI

John Gunn

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I was never a huge fan, but give me Seger over Bruce for “heartland rock” anytime. Even “Like A Rock” is a pretty good song, even though the commercial killed it. P.S. Fun fact – Seger played percussion on the last track of the last MC5 album, High Time!

 

Jeremy Shatan

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Yes, the early seventies was a lonely time for those of us who were rabid fans of groups like Raspberries. Loved them even when I knew no one else except my siblings who felt the same way. Saw them with 150 others in August of ‘74 at the Municipal auditorium in Atlanta, a few months before they broke up. Didn’t think to talk with those sitting around us about the group, they were strangers and really, there was no real opportunity to do so. Fast forward to their reunion tour 30 years later. We fans met online, became friends and by the time the concert series started, we entered the venues as validated co-fans. We validated each other – the loneliness was gone. A totally different experience.

David Thomson

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Thank you for writing about Bob Seger, one of the great bar-band rock-&-rollers of all time. Some people did know about Leonard Cohen’s book, “Beautiful Losers” when Seger’s song came out. The book had been out for a decade, and another piece of music that arose from that book was Buffy Sainte-Marie’s “God is alive, Magic is Afoot,” on her 1969 Illuminations album, which I still have. That song was one of the most haunting of the late sixties, and takes its lyric from the final stream of consciousness chapter in “Beautiful Losers.” Great artistic contributions, the songs and the book. Artists were artists in those days, and Leonard one of the greatest, inspiring so many others.

Rex Weyler

Mansons Landing, BC, Canada

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I am a musician from Michigan and was there with the Seger/Stooges/MC-5’s earliest beginnings. “Ramblin’ Gamblin’ Man” opened with the coolest drum groove yet, and came out when the group was still called The Bob Seger System. I met and talked to Bob in a music store in Ann Arbor when I was 13 years old. I was so nervous. Then when we saw the MC-5 and the Stooges live, everything changed. In five years we went from “I Want To Hold Your Hand to “I Wanna Be Your Dog”. And that MC-5 debut album is still at the top of the list for the best and most aggressive, raw energy live albums of all time. Growing up in that Detroit rock scene was amazing. Come on! “Let me be who I am… And let me kick out the jams”.

Rich Nisbet

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Bob: Sad that “Back in ’72” LP by Bob Seger remains unavailable. Apparently, Bo and Punch Andrews were unhappy about its recording in Muscle Shoals. That there’s a buzz on the LP which I never have been able to find. I still have my worn beat-up vinyl version. Seger played away from Detroit often early U.S. touring with Bachman-Turner Overdrive but I saw him earlier opening for Dr. Hook in London, Ontario and he was a known mythical figure to music fans in Ontario. He already had had a regional major hit with “Noah” in Toronto and Hamilton. And betcha didn’t know that “Night Moves” was recorded in Toronto at Nimbus 9 Studio with mostly Toronto musicians and produced by the Guess Who’s producer Jack Richardson. Bob Seger, a Toronto boy. Oh hell yes. Larry LeBlanc

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Thanks for writing about Bob. I love that man… a great person, authentic and generally under-rated (he’s an anti-hero). Bob was the first artist I dug my teeth into when I appointed head of publicity at Capitol just prior to Live Bullet.

I was so taken by him and the music that I begged him to ‘just give me the next year of your life’. He did and I wrote my first impassioned Dear Journalist letter to the entire mailing list telling his story and casting him as America’s All-American Rock Hero. Well it worked thanks to partnering on the quest with Ray Tusken who was the head of AOR promotion.

A year later Newsweek did a two page double truck centerfold feature on Bob using that same phrase. The photo was of Bob seated on an old couch with his dog Boris. I sent a mailgram addressed to Boris Seger that read, ‘Dear Boris, good to see your picture in Newsweek. One question, who is the guy with the guitar?

Bob has held a well deserved place in my heart since then, wrote me into two songs on Stranger In Town and even dedicated a song to me in front of a sold-out arena crowd. Rock n Roll never forgets and Bob doesn’t either

Bruce Garfield

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Bob is a national treasure.
Joe Walsh

Travelin’ Man/Beautiful Loser

“Up with the sun, gone with the wind

She always said I was lazy”

Actually that’s what my mother told me again and again, even after I was out of the house. I had to go to therapy to be set straight, the shrink said I was working ALL THE TIME! It just wasn’t the kind of work my mother respected, of which there were two kinds, that which made a ton of money and that which you did with your hands. Her father came from Russia and worked in a tannery in Peabody, Mass. She’d belittle me to the point where I thought I should be one of those sign-twirlers, in front of a shop on Westwood and Olympic, or step up and work at McDonald’s. Funny how the mores have changed. Today parents say how great their kids are, to not only their friends but to the kids themselves. My parents never bragged on us, they just kept comparing us unfavorably to other kids in the neighborhood.

That could have been a reason I retreated into music. Music used to be a private world. When albums took hold in the late sixties the music set you free, and you went to the concert to have a peak experience hearing the songs you knew by heart. There were no selfies, no way to communicate with others via social media. You were all alone. And honestly, today’s world is so much better, you can find like-minded people, you don’t have to be lonely, but the business isn’t about making and releasing the same kind of music, deep cuts that touched your soul. They didn’t have to be hits, they didn’t have to cross over to Top Forty radio, but we all knew them. Especially as FM rock exploded in the early seventies.

Bob Seger was a journeyman. Detroit was its own scene, kind of like Austin and the Red Dirt circuit in Texas today. Lauded there, oftentimes unknown and not understood elsewhere. Iggy was on TV once in a televised concert in the late summer of 1970, but he was far from an icon. And the MC5 never broke through. And we knew Bob Seger had had regional hits, but they never got to our region.

The first Bob Seger album I bought is unavailable today, “Back in ’72.” It’s really great, it contains the original, studio version of “Turn the Page,” which is now considered a Metallica song. Then again, the original was released fifty years ago. But it had its moment, when it was released in 1976 as part of “‘Live’ Bullet.”

Used to be live albums could break you. Classic case being Peter Frampton, who was known, but unknown. Ditto with Seger. But “‘Live’ Bullet” made him a star, paving the way for the following “Night Moves,” and the subsequent “Hollywood Nights.” Seger was everywhere, to the point where you burned out on him, especially when he moved on to ballads, but once upon a time he was a fighter from outside Hollywood, paving his own way, doing it his own way.

So Bob had shifted from Capitol to Warner Brothers, which released “Back in ’72,” and then back to Capitol. Which was kind of like leaving the Rams to go back to the Jets. From the best to the worst. Then again, RCA was pretty bad too, and MCA was nothing to champion. Capitol had the Beatles, and the Band, and Grand Funk Railroad. But Warner Brothers had Neil Young, James Taylor and everybody else.

So Bob went back to Capitol and released the album “Beautiful Loser” in the spring of ’75, and the title track got airplay, you heard Bob Seger on FM radio, which was a novelty. Not that you heard him frequently, and everywhere, but if you were an FM fan, if you were glued to the rock station, you were aware of “Beautiful Loser.” Which was somehow smoother than what had come before, somehow a part of the rock canon at the time.

But most people didn’t know “Beautiful Loser” until it was paired with “Travelin’ Man” on “‘Live’ Bullet.” That was the album’s highlight. The first side of the two record set began with a cover of “Nutbush City Limits,” and then came “Travelin’ Man,” which was also on the “Beautiful Loser” album, along with the original “Katmandu,” But the studio version of “Travelin’ Man” was made to be listened to in your bedroom, quiet and meaningful, whereas the version on “‘Live’ Bullet” was faster, Seger was not worried about singing it right into the mic in the studio, it was just pure passion, from inside, it was purely him, unfiltered, honest, relatable, hard to resist, especially as it gained momentum, as the rest of the band kicked in and it rollicked down the highway. And “Travelin’ Man” goes on for four minutes and forty seconds, typical length for an album track back then, but instead of ending, it didn’t fade, it continued full bore and then there was a change, quietude returned, there’s an organ and Bob starts to sing…

“He wants to dream like a young man

With the wisdom of an old man

He wants his home and security

He wants to live like a sailor at sea”

All these years later Wikipedia tells us that Seger was inspired by a Leonard Cohen book, but we did not know that back then. We took it at face value. It spoke to us at a moment of transition. The boomers were in their twenties, it was a time of reckoning, how were you gonna make money, how were you gonna live, were you gonna go straight and sell out, or continue on the sixties path.

“A perfect lodger, a perfect guest”

You could no longer couch surf. Your buddies were married, they didn’t want you hanging out, and looked down upon you to boot.

And in truth, many boomers got left behind. Especially when the physical jobs dried up and you couldn’t support your family without a “career.” We didn’t need it all, but in many cases we needed more than we got. Life has become harder than it was in the seventies, rawer, more competitive, you can fall through the cracks easily, the suicide rate is out of control. Especially for boomers with too many health problems and not enough money.

Now back when Seger broke big, rock stars were still rock stars. With all the accoutrements…sex, dope and enough money to live like a king. Doors were open, you had more power than politicians, you were a god, and you went on the road both to experience the perks and reach the audience, getting love from the stage that no one who hasn’t been on the boards can fathom.

And maybe you got married early. But that first marriage went by the wayside when you went on the road.

And many delayed marriage until they’d been with so many women they knew a relationship was more than physical.

But you still went on the road. That was your job. And that’s one thing that’s come back, after the MTV era, after the Spotify breakthrough, there are Top Forty stars, but there are even more journeymen (and women), traveling this great country of ours delivering the music to the fans who need it to survive.

But one thing is for sure, you’re not living the life of an average citizen, you see you’re a travelin’ man. You see people, and you never see them again. Or your good friends are concert promoters, who you see once a year. You’re living in an alternative universe. Don’t confuse this with being on the other side of the music industry fence, being a business person, working at the label, musicians are a separate breed, outside of society, oftentimes a closed society, because the rest of the public doesn’t get it. You work at night, you sleep late. And the cycle is so rough, the tours so long, that you need drugs to cope, and sometimes you take too many and…

And decades later, you look back.

So you can go down the road less taken, but it only works if you never look back, if you throw away the safety net. And your endeavor may not pay off for decades, if at all. And what you end up with is different from your brethren, the people you grew up with, those in your community. You see your life is one of experiences. Those make up your life. It’s your own movie, no one else can really see it, but it’s a blockbuster.

“Sometimes at night, I see their faces

I feel the traces they’ve left on my soul

Those are the memories that make me a wealthy soul

Those are the memories that make me a wealthy soul”

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