Bill Browder-This Week’s Podcast

Bill Browder is the author of “Red Notice” and “Freezing Order,” which delineate his investments in Russia and the ultimate death of his attorney Sergei Magnitsky after he refuses to back down on his accusation that Russian government officials fraudulently claimed a $230 million tax refund for Browder’s company, Hermitage Capital. We cover Browder’s history and ultimate investments in Russia as well as Putin’s personal vendetta against him and the status of Russia today.

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/bill-browder/id1316200737?i=1000562505962

https://music.amazon.com/podcasts/9ff4fb19-54d4-41ae-ae7a-8a6f8d3dafa8/episodes/37c9677d-8767-4d84-b1db-2ea49428df9e/the-bob-lefsetz-podcast-bill-browder

https://www.stitcher.com/show/the-bob-lefsetz-podcast/episode/bill-browder-203307554

Re-The Skunk Baxter Podcast

Bob, I just wanted to comment on your masterful interview with Jeff. To hear two individuals on such an even playing field intellectually was both heartfelt and “fact felt”. Tempo was awesome, not a dull moment. Thank you for spotlighting an amazing musician and genuinely interesting human being. Sincerely, Dann Huff

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Thank you, Thank you, Thank you!
Now I know who I’d like to invite to a fantasy dinner or be stuck with in an elevator.
The only negative aspect of this podcast might be, “How will you ever find a more engaging guest for The Lefsetz Podcast than Skunk Baxter?”

Keith Brown

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What a fascinating conversation. Not many interviews run a couple of hours and I feel like I could’ve hung in there for another several hours at least.

Marty Winsch

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Your long-form interview with Skunk Baxter was remarkable, thank you. Hearing from him about missile-defense systems and the war in Ukraine blew my mind. Even more so than hearing Ian Anderson talk about Indian cuisine and US politics. I commend you on your long-form approach: ask open-ended questions and then let these cats loose.

I sure would love to hear Brian May talk about astrophysics. Seriously!

Best wishes from New Orleans,

Dave Sharpe

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Your podcast with Jeff Baxter is one of the most fascinating conversations I’ve ever heard.

If it were just about his life as a musician it would be great.

The stuff he can’t talk about would be enough to fill a few books.

Regards,

Ray Levin

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I very much enjoyed the interview.  Fascinating guy.  Thanks.

Bill Nelson

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Great talk…SHOULD be a movie made about his life .

James Spencer

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That was an amazing conversation…..

Donald Bartenstein

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A great listen…It was equal parts Meet the Press and Behind the Music (industry edition)….keep up the great work.

Scott Richman

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Super Bowl night jan. 26 1986 Capital theater Passaic NJ and we are waiting for James Brown to start his show.An hour goes by no James. They make an announcement they’re waiting on a replacement guitar player.Another 45 minutes goes by.Finally James hits the stage and out comes Skunk Baxter in a baby blue tux and carrying a chair which he precedes to sit in for most of the show.Now I know why he sits to play the guitar. What an interesting guy in both his lines of work.Great interview Bob.

Dennis Amrhein

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I had to tell you how much I enjoyed your interview with Jeff “Skunk” Baxter. I have long enjoyed his playing and his time with both Steely Dan and the Doobies (and far too many sessions to name) and being a child of the 70s, I fondly recall seeing him on What’s Happening in the infamous bootlegging episode…. but I digress.

I was so captivated by Skunk’s story about his journey and the way you navigated the storytelling. I have been a long-time listener and reader of yours, but this interview seemed elevated as you were able to really allow Skunk to delve into his thoughts and insights without stopping the flow. Seeing as I am a lifelong musically obsessed music industry nerd, I was wanting to hear more about his tenure with both acts that he was a part of but I simply found the work he has done and continues to do for our government to be just as intriguing. I am so glad you spent so much time slowing him down and digging deeper into his defense work.

It really is rare to find a person so musically talented to have such insight and skills worthy of consulting with the US defense strategy and leadership alike. And can we take a minute and marvel at his work on the 2nd lead of Bodhisattva and Riki Don’t Lose That Number? Hell, I am just a drummer but I still marvel at listening to those licks. They touch those magical parts of my soul as great music should.

I will also offer a huge shout-out for your chat with Robert Scovill as his work in live sound should be more well known. His work with Rush was something magical that I was fortunate to witness in person a few times. I had no idea he was part of the team to help design Avid’s live products. Touring with artists for the last 12 years, I can tell you how a lot of the work he was innovating has helped change the entire FOH process. That was so interesting to hear from him on that part of his work. And you should never worry about going too far down in the weeds with any guest as it helps shape your conversation into something much more meaningful.

So not meant to be a blow-smoke-up-your-ass note here but these two interviews were just something special Bob!! I simply had to share my thoughts so you know that your interview style and questions for people around the music industry (and beyond) are so entertaining and you keep getting better and better at it. Keep up the fantastic work!

Best regards-

Jay Coyle

Co-Founder/General Manager

Propeller Sound Recordings

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Wow, what an incredible interview with a true renaissance man.  He personifies his motto: “whoever dies with the most stories wins”.

Cliff Keller

Hacks-Season 2

It’s got a tone problem. As in whipsawing from believable to farce so two-dimensional you want to shut the damn program down.

But Jean Smart is so GOOD!

How did we get here? Replicating the old TV model with the new?

In case you’ve been under a rock, it appears that all streaming video outlets are now going to have free or discounted advertising tiers.

So what exactly is different about today’s paradigm from that of yesteryear, the one that has dominated for decades?

On demand. You can watch what you want when you want.

Only you can’t. You’re at the mercy of the outlets dripping out episodes to “build buzz” and to keep you from canceling. What of this reminds you of the modern world? NOTHING!

I mean we already have HBO. And Showtime and Starz and…

If you pay for them, you can watch them live on the flat screen, or on demand via your cable system, or via an app.

Arguably, the average customer is going to pay just as much and end up with less. I mean at least if you paid for the cable bundle you got network, with its local news, and scores of basic cable channels which will disappear without the cable system subsidy/payment. This is progress, ending up with less?

As for the bump in product…expect that to taper off as the players are solidified. Same as it ever was. Or meet the new boss, same as the old boss. Talking Heads or the Who, whichever you prefer, or both. Then again, they ruled in an era where many music fans didn’t even have a TV, or if they did didn’t turn it on. Today all the action is on the flat screen. As for the live show…I know people want to go, but the experience is different, it used to be exclusive, you had to go to know, now they’re just mass gatherings of people who want to shoot photos and say they were there.

So it all comes down to “House of Cards.” The first original Netflix series, which was better than anything else being televised. It drew fans, caused word of mouth, added subscriptions.

And in truth HOC took a couple of years to have complete traction. Just like the “Sopranos.” There’s so much in the channel, it’s hard to gain notice. So if you’re dripping out new shows week by week you’re actually losing instead of winning. Most people don’t know and don’t care, word of mouth on everything but hard news (well, soft news occasionally too), takes eons to spread. The best example here being “Breaking Bad,” which was on AMC for seasons but didn’t burgeon until people could binge it on Netflix. Binge, that’s the appropriate word. I mean come on, your mother buys half a gallon of ice cream and she tells you you can only have two spoonfuls a day. What! You know as well as I do that when it comes to ice cream and potato chips they truly only satisfy when you can eat them to excess. When you’re the one making the decision, when you’re the only one establishing limits, if any at all. I must say one of the things in life I enjoy most is sitting in the dark watching streaming television, being taken away. This is wholly different from reality/game shows, this is about narrative, a whole world, and when the mood is broken because I run out of episodes I’m pissed!

So the “backward” music business figured this out. You can get all the music for one low monthly price. And Spotify has a free tier, but that’s to combat piracy. Piracy is less of an issue in visual entertainment, if for no other reason than the files are bigger. But if you release all the episodes at once…it’s easier to just pay up than steal. Which is the Spotify game. Remember when all the insiders said no one would ever pay for music? What a laugh that turned out to be.

So the whole agency side of “Hacks” sucks. I literally turned off the first episode, it was too long a jump from the drama I’d been watching. But when Jean Smart does her thing…

You’re never quite sure exactly what she’s going to say.

Ever been around rich or famous people (or both?). There’s an inherent pecking order, even if each individual is paying their own freight, the rich/famous person dominates, is in charge, even if they say nothing! You play by their rules. You don’t go against them. Which is why you always hear about these same people being out of touch because they’re surrounded by yes people.

So, Jean Smart as Deborah Vance is the rich and famous person here. Her star may have faded, but she still drives that Rolls Royce with the suicide doors. Yes, if you’re rich and famous you’ve got to act the part, you’ve got to live in the right place, drive the latest car and tip well at the best establishments. It’s your image! Especially if you’re an oldster.

So everybody’s afraid of her. But you never know when she’ll step down from her pedestal to your level and speak the truth. When she’s in the aforementioned electric blue Rolls and tells Hannah Einbinder/Ava the score, when she zeroes in on Ava’s personality, WHEW!

You’d be surprised how many rich and famous people are smart, at least street smart, because it’s a long way to the top, no matter how much you wanna rock and roll. You’re privy to all the lessons the public never sees, what happens on the other side of the curtain, the business. And believe me, it’s cutthroat.

As for Hannah Einbinder/Ava, she’s noticeably better this year. Because she’s grown into the role. She’s actually aged a bit, which makes her more believable. The fact that she was a writer with experience in the previous season? I didn’t buy it.

But even Hannah/Ava slips into two-dimensionality. When she’s constantly worried about that e-mail surfacing. I wish the broad comedy were excised, there’s enough real material without all the tropes, the gay assistant, the agency underling who has the hots for Jimmy who is played so broadly that you wince every time she talks, not at her so much as at the writers, what were they thinking, that we were going to buy this?

And in the second episode there’s a scene with Polly Draper.

You’ll recognize her, it may take a while for you to place her, she was Ellyn Warren on “thirtysomething.” But that was over thirty five years ago, and Polly Draper is 66 AND HAS HAD NO PLASTIC SURGERY!

Movie stars do not age, and at this point neither do musicians. Not only women, but men. Speaking of which, when you see Wayne Newton in this show you’re only reminded of one thing, that “Twilight Zone” episode “In the Eye of the Beholder,” you know, the one with the doctors and nurses with the faces? Newton is the greatest advertisement for stopping plastic surgery extant. Other than the cat lady. But at this point Newton is just as bad. But Draper?

Draper looks like a real person. Much better-looking than the average person, but she’s believable.

As for Jean Smart…she’s got lines in her face too.

As do I. It goes with the territory. You can keep telling yourself you have the mind and skin of a thirty year old, but inside your body knows different. Nobody here gets out alive and when we see people acting years younger than their age, we wince.

So what you’ve got here is an adult comedy. Except when it’s at the level of a cartoon, the kind of stuff a five or six year old would appreciate. Shows can grow over time, can’t this show be adjusted?

Well, it’s too late now, I’m sure all the episodes are in the can. But these shows have a long lead time, when you see them they’re already planning the following season.

So will what I wrote above get you to watch “Hacks”?

Not the second season. Either you’re a fan or you’re not. Either you watched the first season or you didn’t. If you did, you give the first two episodes of the second season the benefit of the doubt. But if you start there…you’re probably not gonna get it. But you could binge the first season and get it completely. That’s what happened with “Breaking Bad”!

How did we get here?

If you don’t give the people what they want in tech, you’re superseded. You have to be constantly innovating or you’re left behind. Although oldsters haven’t stopped bitching, one thing is for sure, the music industry has cut ties with the past. Sure, labels may still be focused on terrestrial radio, but the public isn’t. Hell, the public moved to TikTok and now the labels have too.

But in TV?

The suits think they’re still in control. That it can go their way.

And to see how Netflix has reacted to Wall Street’s reaction to their numbers…makes me want to puke.

Let me see… You had a business plan, you believed in it, but Wall Street soured on you and you listened to investors? This is like sports teams turning over the coaching to the fans. Sure, they foot the bill, but they’re not professionals, they’re not in the locker room, it’s all surface, and of the moment. They want it all and they want it now, and that’s no way to run a business.

People want the content that bad, but the minute they have an option… This is what happened with Napster, the industry was cruising on overpriced CDs and then…

We’re sick of the gatekeepers telling us how to consume our content. We want to be in control. Isn’t that the message of the online world, have it your way?

But not in the TV world, because these people think they’re better than us.

But after two plus decades online we know that is patently untrue. They’re delusional.

I’m frustrated. And like John Lennon sang, I’m not the only one.

Re-The Arista Book

Happy that you read the book and that you mentioned my name. But that’s not really necessary or encouraged.  A good press agent cedes the spotlight to the client who, in this case, is author Mitchell Cohen.  His name wasn’t mentioned in your piece so that’s what I’m doing now.  He is also the editor of and one of the primary contributors to The White Label Promo Preservation Society: 100 Flop Albums You Ought to Know

(https://www.amazon.com/White-Label-Promo-Preservation-Society/dp/1735998516).

That book is noteworthy to me insofar as quite a few of my friends/clients/family participated serendipitously (meaning I have nothing to do with it) including Arthur Levy, Gregg Geller, Tammy Faye Starlite. Keith Hartel, Joe McEwen, Tom Vickers, Ben Merlis. David Fricke, Lenny Kaye, Ira Robbins, Marshall Crenshaw, Billy Altman, Dave DiMartino, Susan Whitall, Jeff Tamarkin, Russ Titelman, Jim Farber and maybe some others that have slipped my mind.

At any rate, as they promo guys used to say, “thanks for the spins.”

Best,

Bob Merlis

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Thanks for giving Steve Backer some much deserved love. I look forward to reading this. He was a music man, a record guy who loved his art-in his case- jazz. Arista Freedom much like Steve’s output at Impulse! Records veered toward the avant-garde, making it an even more curious association. Steve cared about the art form, the music and the artists. A really decent human being, who I was privileged to call mentor and friend.

-Ricky Schultz

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Steve Backer made so many great jazz records with full investment from the major labels— first for Impulse and then Arista. I remember his visits to the New England Music City store that I managed in Boston, excited that he had made a deal to license Sun Ra records from the musician’s El Saturn label, or that he had signed Anthony Braxton. He was a true inspiration who showed me that record labels could be convinced to fund great music, at least when no one was paying all that much attention. Seriously, the idea that you could make records for a modest budget and at least break even on them was once a part of record label consciousness, and many wonderful records were made that way.

Scott Billington

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I met Jerry Mangalos back in the mid-2000’s. It was at the Cat Club on Sunset. We played there and went the following night when the Starfuckers were playing (Slim Jim wasn’t there tho…).  We hung out back where the smokers were.

He had some interesting tales about Clive and the whole Milli Vanilli thing.  He invited us to a party at Phil Spector’s house when Mr. Spector was out on parole. My artist at the time declined saying he didn’t want to get shot too…  Kinda wish we’d have went.

ajawam2

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Thank you for this recommendation. I just pre-ordered. Larry Uttal was my boss at Private Stock. What a dear man !

Kathy Rowe

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Having worked directly with Larry Uttal at Private Stock Records from ‘75-‘77, I can attest to the shear genius and humanity of the man. Larry placed a value and faith on the people around him (many times to his detriment).
He also enabled us to speak our true opinions when he legitimately didn’t not the course to take in buying a master or signing an act. “Tell me what you really think. Faint heart never won fair maiden, Louis”.
He actually took my opinion and bought a $5k master after I back my word with the promise that he could take whatever he didn’t make back out of my salary.
“Now you’ve skin in the game, Louis. I’m going to buy you that master.”  Oh shit, what have I done?  No worries.  It was “A Fifth of Beethoven” by Walter Murphy.
Special note here, Larry Uttal (along with Neil Bogart), deserve to be in The Rock &Roll Hall of Fame. Larry Uttal put 45s on almost every turntable in America and should be recognized for that.

Thank for recognizing a true music business innovator.

Louis Lewow
Johns Creek, GA.

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All valid commentary on Larry/Bell and Clive/Arista. I would just like to shed some light on David Forman. Yep, his solo album had some hefty hype (he is a great singer) and he went on to form a popular Neo-Do Wop group called Little Isidore and The Inquisitors but the point here is to talk about where I see David these days. With film and television being one of the few music business islands remaining above water and keeping musicians working, I find myself laying down drum tracks for period piece Netflix or HBO type series more and more. If there is music from the 50s through the 70s, David Forman is usually sitting in the control room off to the side of the console as a consultant to the Music Supervisor. David is the go-to pro who informs either the supervisor or the engineer bits like, “tempo is too fast,” “guitar sound is too distorted,” “more reverb on the Spector era horns” or, “the top harmony would not be a Bb minor.” He is a pop music historian and heavily relied on here in New York to keep the music honest. On a somewhat recent session for Marvelous Mrs. Maisel, I hung out after finishing my drum tracks to watch David chime in on period correctness with regard to a Wall of Sound rhythm section, complete with a horn and string type sonic landscape. It’s always an education to witness.

Rich Pagano

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I have my own little history with Clive. After making Batdorf and Rodney records with Ahmet Ertegun and David Geffen, this was a whole new experience. Ahmet and David nurtured songwriter/artists and tried to build their careers and then we signed with Arista. We were one of the early signings for Arista and Clive loved us but there was a catch, he was more interested in hits and after Manilow’s success with Mandy, he thought he had the gift of finding hits for acts that were written by other songwriters. His deal was the band gets 8 and I get 2 and so it was. After our history as an FM act, Clive wanted us to break out with an AM hit single. He made us record You Are A Song and Gentler Time,  both written by Jim Weatherly. We didn’t really like them but that was the deal but they were not hits for us. About a year later, he rushed us into the studio to record Somewhere In The Night which was released as a single in the fall of 1975. It started out great entering the charts at #80 but Helen Reddy released her version and they both cancelled each other’s out and Barry eventually got the hit. Soon after, Mark and I split up and I formed Silver. He made us record a song we all hated, Wham Bam Shang-a-Lang which we all hated but it became a hit single that made it to #16 nationally. We dreaded singing it every night on the road as our “big hit”. Ironically, in 2017, the record was picked as one of the songs for the Guardians Of The Galaxy ll movie which got us over 10 million plays on Youtube and made the band some money. So, as much as I didn’t love his formula, he did hit magic twice with that one.

John Batdorf

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I’m really happy you wrote about this, and I can’t wait to read it. Did I miss something, or did you not mention that the book was written by Mitchell Cohen? As you may know, Mitchell started his career as a critic at publications like Film Comment and Creem, and then shifted into A&R and had a long and very successful run at Arista, Columbia, and finally, Verve. He’s a brilliant guy and one of the kindest and best people I know. Also: people may be interested to know that it’s the first book to be published by Trouser Press Books, a new indie imprint run by Ira Robbins, founder and publisher of the late, great, and highly-influential Trouser Press Magazine.

Wishing you all the best,

Regina Joskow

Rounder Records

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Thanks!  Happy you enjoyed and shared the read!

Mitchell Cohen did his homework!  “Looking for the Magic:  New York City, the ’70s and the Rise of Arista Records”, is so well written and researched!  How do I know?

I was at Bell in the early ’60s, back in ’74 when a friend asked for a favor. The favor,  assist Clive Davis at Bell for two weeks as  she was going with Larry to Private Stock.  So, I said yes because I just left RSO and wanted to hang, but since it was ONLY for two weeks!  It was a yes!  26 years later, 2000, I retired from Arista!

To reiterate, Mitchell did his homework and wrote this wonerful book with love, passion,  knowledge and respect!  I do recommend if you were around!  You’ll enjoy the read!

Thanks Bob!

Rose Gross-Marino

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Oh, Mitchell Cohen! Say no more. He knows his stuff. I will read this. Thanks Bob.

Richard Pachter

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Friends have been texting me about your piece on my Arista book, and I want to thank you for picking it up and sticking with it. The Bell and Jazz parts were so much fun to research and write, because those are relatively “untold” stories. I call this book an Arista Records “remix”: bringing up things that were always there, but overwhelmed by other more prominent elements.
With much appreciation,

Mitchell Cohen