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These are FANTASTIC soft snow skis.

Welcome to closing weekend at Vail, where we are in the midst of a raging snowstorm after two weeks of unseasonably high temperatures. Colorado is not like Vermont. Where you eke out your last runs on narrow white ribbons while the landscape around you comes awake from the winter and is finally turning green. No, Vail closes with plenty of snow, they’re just lacking CUSTOMERS!

People can’t wait to get out on the hill in November and December when conditions are shaky, but when there’s plenty of snow in the spring, they’re contemplating golf and…

But this week has been much more crowded than the previous few. Because of the Mexicans. From Mexico. Vail caters to them. They’re here for Easter break. And they’re RICH!

Little kids wearing Bogner clothing. High class brand names everywhere. Sometimes you feel like an alien in your own town.

Not that it’s really crowded. Is there ever truly a lift line? But like I said, it was empty and now that they’ve closed down two-thirds of the mountain…

Yes, they do that to save money.

Anyway, today I took out the Bent Chetlers. Wary of the conditions. Afraid they would be the legendary dust on crust. That’s a term all dedicated skiers know and are afraid of. When it’s rock solid underneath, with just a smattering of snow flakes on top. It’s even worse in the spring, because the surface underneath has melted, refrozen and is not smooth and…

It wasn’t that bad, I was pleasantly surprised. Not that you could not feel the crust underneath.

I was thinking of taking out the Peak 104s, because they hold like motherf*ckers. But none of my skis are as lively and playful as the Bent Chetler 100s, and they’d been utterly fantastic in the crud we’d had, so…

I donned them. And kept thinking about writing about them, and here we are.

I’d been planning to post a review all season, but I wanted to ski them in all conditions, I wanted to get a definitive take. But riding the lift today I felt if I wrote about skis…that would be tone-deaf in light of the political turmoil in our nation. But then I was riding Chair 3, and the flakes were coming down and Mother Nature didn’t seem to care about the folly of men, so I said to myself what the f*ck, I’ll put fingers to keyboard, because if I wait…I might never be inspired again.

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So Chris Benchetler wanted to send me a pair of his skis. He’s got his own model, the Bent Chetler, with Atomic. Chris used to be with K2, but Atomic gave him a lot of opportunity, and Chris can now live off the royalties alone.

What made the model was the 120. Which you really don’t need inbounds, at a resort.

Okay, let me explain how this works. Skis have lengths and waists. The lengths are in centimeters and the widths are in millimeters.

Before the shaped ski revolution of the nineties and early two thousands, we all skied on narrow waisted boards, oftentimes in the sixtysomething range. But then snowboarding became all the rage. And innovative ski makers decided to learn a lesson from the upstarts, they started infusing skis with radical sidecuts.

Now skis always had sidecuts. And expert skiers could use these to their advantage. You laid the ski up on edge, and you carved a turn. Very few people could do this. But now with shaped skis, EVERYBODY can do it. There’s a plethora of great skiers on the mountain. If you mastered the skills of yore you could complain, except that the shaped skis render such a better experience.

Presently there’s a debate how wide you should go. Commentators want the public to go shorter, for more maneuverability and fewer injuries. Not that the public listens, they still want wide boards and…

If you go to Sun Valley, which gets very little snow (there’s a ton of snowmaking), the runs are usually firm and everybody skis on narrow skis. Furthermore, that’s what they sell in the shops.

In the old days, every shop had every model. Now, no shop has every brand and model. You might read about a ski but be unable to buy it.

And in Vail, it’s nearly impossible to find a ski for sale or rent that’s narrower than eightysomething at the waist. Because Vail is vast and broad and…

Vail didn’t used to compete with Aspen. John Glenn implored Felice’s parents to buy a condo here after burning out on the scene in Sun Valley, where every Hollywood celebrity went if they weren’t in Aspen.

But Aspen is different from Sun Valley. Sun Valley is relatively quiet. Whereas…

Aspen is a scene. Hippies through the seventies, then the wealthy moved in and…

Aspen is a great town with great skiing, but it’s inconvenient. There are four separate mountains and getting to them…

Vail is all of a piece. It’s all connected.

And it’s relatively flat. That’s the beef amongst elite skiers, Willy Schaeffler, the legendary ski coach at DU, pooh-poohed the mountain because of its lack of steepness.

But it turns out that most people don’t want steep slopes.

And Vail has the Back Bowls. They may call them bowls at a few other ski areas, but there’s no comparison in the U.S. Whistler? Whistler has some great bowls. But otherwise, you have to go to Europe for skiing like this. Vast and wide open. Legendary.

And then they added Blue Sky Basin and sealed the deal.

Vail is close to Denver, you can come for the day, even though now the traffic is horrendous, whereas you wouldn’t do this with Aspen, it’s too far.

And Vail has turned into a megalopolis, an endless valley of development. And the original village is a copy of Zermatt, and there’s an ersatz element.

But… Vail has a legendary bump run, Highline, which is never groomed. And if you want something steeper, you can go to Beaver Creek next door, but no one ever does. The locals ski Vail, they drive right by Beaver Creek for the sheer quantity of terrain, the greater quantity of snow and…

That’s Vail.

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The standard Vail ski is 100mm. Actually, somewhere between 94 and 100. Because at this width, you can ski all the terrain Vail has to offer. From groomers to deep powder. A ski of this width is not perfect for almost anything, except for a few inches of powder, but it’s a great compromise, because when you go either narrower or wider that ski will be bad in the powder/crud or on the groomers respectively.

So when you read about the need to go to narrow skis… Maybe at your ski area, but not in Vail.

And the truth is dedicated skiers have a quiver of skis. Multiple pairs for multiple conditions. I know you can’t fathom that but…

Why not have a dedicated powder ski. I’ve got my 116 K2s which are great.

And I’ve got another K2, the 108ti Mindbender which is a dream. It turns like a much narrower ski, but will plow through almost everything. I don’t use it as a groomer ski, but it’s just fine on groomers on days where the powder becomes skied out or I’m making a few runs with people afraid of…

Oh, despite all the hoopla about powder, the average skier is afraid of it.

But it gets worse. Unless you go helicopter skiing, if you get in line before the lift opens and rush you’ll get one untracked run, if you’re a student of the mountain and lucky, maybe two. And the powder is not always like in the movies. The snow can be heavy and…

The best powder in the country is in Big and Little Cottonwood Canyons in Utah. Because of the low moisture content.

But at Alta and Snowbird the powder gets skied out nearly immediately. Vail is so vast you can always find untracked, or good crud, even days after a storm, even though you might have to go into the trees. Then again, despite Steamboat being famous for tree skiing, there are TONS of trees to ski in at Vail.

And in the middle of February, we got 50″ of snow in a matter of days. At times it was so deep that it became overwhelming, I was on my 108s jus wishing I was on my 116s.

Equipment makes a difference, skis make a difference, then again I can’t tell you how many avid skiers are terrible. Because they learned in the pre-shaped ski era and refuse to utilize the modern sidecut, or they never took lessons, I’m a big believer in lessons.

But the better you are, the more advantage you can take of equipment. And the boots! They’re more comfortable than ever before. Not that they’re always so comfortable.

But if you’ve got a great pair of boots with great response, which usually means a tight fit, you can take advantage of the skis and…

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I purchased a new pair of boots this season, the new Lange RS130. This was the first time the boot was redesigned in years! And for the first time, it could be designed from the ground up, without needing to be able to be tweaked for the detuned RX model. Last year Lange introduced the Shadow, a true revolution, and if you’re a good recreational skier, I’d check it out, not that every boot fits every foot, but the Shadow is legendary for being comfortable.

The new Lange RS130s replaced my old Lange RS130s, whose liners were wearing out. They were the best boots I ever had. But the new ones…

Let’s just say I’ve wrestled with a few fit issues, but the performance is amazing, OFF THE CHARTS!

I’ve got two pairs of K2 Mindbenders, the only difference is the paint job. But the new ones turn so much better than the old ones. It didn’t make any sense. But a couple of days ago I took the old ones out with the new boots and VOILA!, it’s the boots!

But no one likes to admit that equipment makes such a difference. Mikaela Shiffrin goes through 80 pairs of skis a year but if you start talking about having multiple pairs the hoi polloi says it makes no difference, that it’s about the skier.

Nothing could be further from the truth.

Which is why I took out those old 99mm K2 Mindbenders the other day, the ones with the old paint job. You see the Bent Chetlers… When I skied them in the bumps, the forebody of the skis…just didn’t come around, just didn’t flex like I wanted them to. Was it me or the skis?

Turned out it was the skis. The Mindbenders didn’t get thrown by the bumps, the forebody flexed. And now we finally get to the point.

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Chris Benchetler wanted to send me a pair of his 110 Grateful Dead skis. Thanks Chris, fantastic, but I’ve already got a pair of 108s and 110s and how often do I go out on a ski this width anyway, I’d prefer it if you sent me your 100s.

And then there was the issue of length, because the Bent Chetlers have a turned up tail and a shorter running surface for the same listed length. My everyday skis tend to be 172s or so. But we decided the 179 Bent Chetlers would be best. Thank god, anything shorter… Yes, skis can be too short. As a matter of fact, many ski on skis that are not long enough. But those details are for another day.

And I got the skis and then the bindings and I took them out on a bright sunny day in February and…I HATED THEM!

I mean you start on a new pair of skis on the groomers, to get a feel, and I just couldn’t get a feel for the Bent Chetlers. They just didn’t carve like any other ski. I was tempted to go back to the ski valet and change them out, but I figured best to ski them in every condition to be sure.

And I made it back to Blue Sky Basin, which is so far that it closes just after two PM, so people can make it back to the base, but is a so-called “wilderness” experience. With more features like rocks and trees left in the landscape, and less grooming.

So I pointed the Bent Chetlers down In the Wuides, a broad usually windswept slope that narrows into a bump field and…

WHAT A REVELATION!

I could throw the Bent Chetlers through the bumps, through the crud, better than any other pair of skis I had.

And then I took them into truly terrible snow from Siberia into Mongolia Bowl, where no one in their right mind would go, where there was a combination of deep bumps and untracked and a surface that had sat in the sun too long and…I could throw the skis around with confidence.

But every day?

The Bent Chetlers were not for me.

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But then it got hot. Almost a month ago. I’ve still got the blister on my lip as testimony. And looking for a bit of variety, I took out the Bent Chetlers. And in the spring crud? PHENOMENAL!

Okay, crud is cut-up powder. Spring crud? It’s like a slurpee. But in places the slurpee can be inches deep.

The Bent Chetlers just plowed through this stuff. Furthermore, THEY WERE FUN!

Fun, playful.

At this point in time, the most popular brands of skis are Nordica and Blizzard. Their signature models, the Enforcers and the Anomalys, are like tanks. Stiff, two layers of metal. They’re steady, they’ll plow through anything. They’re not quite dead, but they are not my idea of a good ski.

If you’re happy on these models, more to you. Then again, you probably haven’t skied on anything else. You just bought what was popular.

I like a livelier ski, with more pop.

As for the Bent Chetlers… They have no metal! Metal speaks to torsional rigidity, it’s what allows your ski to hold on the hard snow. Which is one reason the Bent Chetlers are not so great on the hard snow.

But they’re light… Not that lightness is everything, I’m actually against it, the best boots are heavy and I’ve found light skis to be too skittish. But the thing with the Bent Chetler 100s is…you can just throw them around, they bounce, they’re FUN!

Yes, skiing is fun with any equipment, but with the Bent Chetlers you get this elation, this smile on your face, this happiness, that you will never ever get with the Enforcer or Anomaly. You feel the skis swing, you feel like you’re dancing. You’re cutting and slashing down the mountain with almost no effort. Feeling like you’re the only person on the hill who is having this experience, that everybody else is missing out.

So today, I finally skied the Bent Chetlers in powder/crud. UNBELIEVABLE! They just plow through the stuff with no effort. Like I said, I’ve got a lot of skis, but nothing like this. They made this condition nearly effortless. And I kept thinking how I was going to tell you, and now I have, but with an unbelievably lengthy digressive intro.

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The Bent Chetler 100 is really a soft snow ski. Unless you ski where it’s soft all the time, it’s best as a second pair of skis. Especially if you’re on the east coast.

But now I realize I missed out. Because I can envision what the Bent Chetler 110 is like. I’m thinking about skiing down Forever in Sun Down Bowl  (named such because Pepi Gramshammer skied it and said it went on FOREVER) in nearly two feet of powder on my K2 108s back in February, and now I know it would be so much easier on the Bent Chetlers.

Not that the Bent Chetlers are a secret. Some people say it’s the best-selling ski available. (Then again, there are five models in the family.) Not that you see so many in Vail. But every once in a while, someone looks me in the eye and says “You’re on Bent Chetlers.” Because insiders, those with a quiver, those who study the game, they’re hip to the ski. There’s an aura, a magic to the Bent Chetlers.

But they’re different from anything else.

I’m still a bit flummoxed by the somewhat stiff forebody. I guess it was designed this way for powder and crud, maybe this is evidence of no compromise. But the competition has a more even flex.

Not that the Bent Chetlers are stiff.

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Okay. I’ve skied on the Bent Chetlers for about 20 days. But I haven’t communicated with Chris about them. I don’t want him to think I’m ungrateful. But I didn’t want to weigh in until I had a total read on the skis. It took me a while to figure them out.

But skiing in the crud these past two weeks and the powder today…

I couldn’t hold back. They’re the best skis in these conditions I’ve ever been on!

But they’re not made for every condition. Or should I say there are better skis for other conditions.

Which is why you must have multiple pairs, a quiver.

But people will say you’re rich.

Like when I mentioned my Langes a month or so ago, I got an e-mail saying I was a turd, because everyone knows you buy your ski boots at a discount in the spring. Maybe amateurs… Because there’s an issue of INVENTORY! I could barely get my RS130s in early December, they had to be trucked from another store.

Everybody’s got an opinion.

And everybody’s got preferences.

Don’t ski, doesn’t matter to me. Buy the usual logic, it’s cold and expensive and you could get hurt.

But skiing has never been cheaper. And the experience has never been better, with the high-speed lifts and the shaped skis and…

You’re missing out.

On the elation and the thrill.

I can talk about this forever, and I think I just did!

“Who Believes in Angels?”: https://open.spotify.com/album/5eS9zcWHCbkOiyXPRiIgg4?si=GfS6MMKgS4iCrcEPnjt-OA

I was talking to a long time radio promotion man yesterday and he said he could hear a hit in a matter of seconds. Sure, he misses occasionally, but very occasionally. And he said he was not the only one, long time professionals have this skill.

I don’t hear a hit on “Who Believes in Angels?”

The second best cut on the album is the title track, “Who Believes in Angels?,” that was released prior to the rest of the album. Elton’s playing the piano in a way that’s reminiscent of “Where to Now St. Peter?,” and it’s so great to hear. And you could say the track is gorgeous, but would I tell you you have to hear it, did I play it more than a couple of times when it was released? No. I guess I expected something more in the pocket when the entire album dropped. I did not find it.

The opening cut is “The Rose of Laura Nyro.” She deserves any attention she can get, she was a legend, at least she’s finally in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. But really, her skill with a pop hit, and then with deep, touching stuff on “New York Tendaberry”…that stuff needs to be remembered, and it’s not.

Let’s go to the second album, which includes “Poverty Train.” No Top Forty radio station is going to play it, and they didn’t, however “Eli’s Comin'” was a gargantuan hit for Three Dog Night.

But do I hear a “Poverty Train” or “Eli’s Comin'” on “Who Believes in Angels?”

No.

The press said Elton was a taskmaster, that he wanted to get it right. I was listening to the album and I thought they should have called me, I would have pushed them harder. Or hired Rick Rubin, who doesn’t touch the board but pushes and pushes the acts until the material is good enough. Rick specializes in comeback records, his goal is to get you back into the headspace you were at when you peaked, and he’s very good at it.

Not that “Who Believes in Angels?” isn’t professional.

Then again, this is an LP that needs to be heard on a full-bodied seventies stereo, compressed into earbuds…the richness is lost.

So, I caught the hype for the album.

And I even saw a performance on SNL, where the mix was so awful, you couldn’t hear Elton’s piano.

And I also got a couple of e-mails telling me how great the album was.

But, despite the press, despite it being Elton John and Brandi Carlile, you cannot feel the album in the marketplace. And you can go on Spotify and see the anemic streaming numbers. Almost no one is listening.

Now I’m going to get the e-mail that fans of Elton are older and they buy physical product, just like I got an e-mail earlier saying Kamala lost because of racism, sexism… And this was a guy. How come no one can look at themselves, adjust, see if what they’re doing works?

And I got another e-mail from a Trumper saying:

“The problem with the Democratic ‘elite’ of Coastal ‘elites’ is their insufferable attitudes.

They come off as if they are a higher life form, almost as if what they say comes down from on high.  They are the modern iteration of Moses with the LAW carved by them in stone.  You must obey or they are the Gods who will make you pay the price.

Theirs are the only view allowed, because as domestic Gods, you can’t defy them.”

This guy is right, and what is Democrats’ response… HE’S A KNOW-NOTHING IDIOT! And there you have it.

Just like two famous stars put out an album and very few are listening.

Now I know people who say they don’t care if anybody listens to their music, I don’t believe this, but they say it. But what most musicians want even more than money is to reach the audience, to have them listen to their work, and Elton and Brandi are failing. How could they win?

Who needs an entire album. Can you just create one hit, that I can tell everybody about, a one listen smash? That’s what required of older acts today if they want traction. Yes, a heritage act can have success, but most don’t because the music just isn’t good enough, it’s bad retreads.

Now most people are burned out and past their peak. But Elton wants, Elton NEEDS the success. I wouldn’t have put out this LP without a one listen smash.

The truth is after “Blue Moves,” Elton was in the wilderness. He ultimately signed to Geffen, but had no hits. No, that’s not completely true, there was “Little Jeannie” in 1980. And ultimately “Blue Eyes” and “I’m Still Standing,” even “Sad Songs (Say So Much),” but there were huge spaces between hits, Elton didn’t dominate the conversation.

But then in 1990, he put out a single that recaptured the magic, was Elton to the core, “Club at the End of the Street” from “Sleeping With the Past.” That’s a smash. Don’t look at “Billboard” numbers, if you were alive back then you saw the animated video consistently on MTV.

There’s no “Club at the End of the Street” On “Who Believes in Angels?” Even worse, if there was, the usual lanes of exposure are dead. No dedicated fan listens to terrestrial radio even though everybody involved in that sphere keeps on telling me I’m wrong. They produce statistics, but…I literally can’t find anybody under twenty who listens.

And MTV is dead.

So even if you have a one listen smash, how do you get it started?

Well, sans a one listen smash you’re dead in the water. Kaput. There’ll be some press, some hard core fans will listen, but usually the new music sinks like a stone.

You’ve got to create virality. Not via manipulation, but something so good people HAVE to hear it, HAVE to tell everybody they know about it. Otherwise, it’s a circle jerk.

Harsh words, I know. Even worse, I know everybody involved in this project, and they’re not going to like what I have to say. But the difference with Elton is he’s willing to go back to work, to take another whack. He could create the one listen smash. But when you’re this big everyone tells you you’re great, they never tell you your sh*t stinks. But if you’re not willing to hear it, you’re moribund. How many lame albums has Paul McCartney put out over the past decades. They make you wince. Oh, they’re professional, but there’s no one listen smash.

But there is one great track on “Who Believes in Angels,” the final one, “When This Old World Is Done With Me.” This would bring down the house as the closer if Elton plays live again. Because unlike all his contemporaries, Elton is not acting like he’s twenty, rather he’s much closer to death than birth.

It’s Elton’s story. It’s not obtuse Bernie Taupin lyrics. It’s heartfelt. And you feel it.

“And when this old world is done with me

Just know I came this far

To be broken up in pieces

Scatter me among the stars

When this old world is done with me

When I close my eyes

Release me like an ocean wave

Return me to the tide

Release me like an ocean wave

Return me to the tide”

Elton’s not fighting for remembrance, he’s not concerned with legacy here, he’s been at it, living so long that he knows…ultimately no one is remembered.

But he had a good life:

“I won’t want for nothing

I’ve been alright, I’ve been okay, I’ve been fine

I’ve had clouds of silver linings, complicated mornings

Love that left me wanting and hearts that change my mind

I can feel the cold front

I’ve been chilly, I’ve been frozen, I’ve been warm

I’ve felt sympathy and silence, helping hands and guidance

Happiness and anger since the day that I was born”

Wisdom, what a treat in this brain dead pop music world we live in.

And the piano outro is exquisite, leaves you contemplating your own life in the mood that is set.

But “When This Old World Is Done With Me” is not a one listen smash. It’s not going to convert people who aren’t paying attention, and most aren’t, this is not “My Way.”

Now whenever I express anything but adulation for the work of some legendary star, the blowback is intense. You can’t say that! Don’t you know, he’s Paul McCartney, he’s a BEATLE!

Yes, once. But truly he’s just like you and me. A human being on the planet with more questions than answers.

Anyway, after I listened to “The Rose of Laura Nyro” three times, I liked it more. But that’s an old paradigm, laying down your cash and listening to the album over and over again until you know it by heart. You have to WANT TO LISTEN! How do you make people listen?

It’s got nothing to do with TikTok, endcaps in the physical retail that still exists, it all comes down to the music itself. Elton John has made his bones, people want the new and different. So to gain attention, you have to wow them! Used to be you could work the system to gain exposure, but that no longer works at all.

We’ve got more and more music and less and less that deserves attention.

Forget the marketing. Doesn’t matter if you’re on TV…

I wanted to tell you how great “Who Believes in Angels?” is. Nothing would make me happier. I’m a huge Elton fan. But this album is not quite a dud, but I can’t say YOU HAVE TO HEAR IT!

This same promotion man at the beginning of this story talked about the first time he heard Boston’s “More Than a Feeling” at a company retreat. Talk about a one listen smash… And radio went on it immediately, they couldn’t get enough of it, they play it to this day.

Does your work have this kind of instant appeal?

If not you’re in trouble in today’s marketplace. Because there are just too many options for attention. I can tell you about albums that I heard and couldn’t wait to get home and play in the pre-mobile era. The Beach Boys vibe in “Back in the U.S.S.R.” from the White Album. And then there’s the first four tracks on Rhino Bucket’s debut. If this album came out today, the band would be hard rock gods, because there’s nothing this good in this vein. AC/DC can go on the road and play their hits, but they can’t record songs this good.

And songs this good… Usually come in a bolt of lightning. You have to capture the mood, the essence, immediately. And most people who are not big stars don’t know this. But I talk to stars all the time about their legendary tracks and they almost all come to them IMMEDIATELY, they’re in a zone, they can’t write them down fast enough.

But just like with Kamala and so much more, this is heresy. You don’t want to hear it’s the music, you want to hear it’s Spotify or the labels or even Netflix’s fault that your music is not being heard. But no, IT’S YOUR FAULT!

Sit with that, if that doesn’t make you squirm…

There’s more music than ever, and less and less is worth listening to.

So you put a lot of hard work and money into it, you spent years honing the songs… Who gives a f*ck. Play it for someone who’s not related, who doesn’t inherently care, and if they get up and walk away you know…

As opposed to hearing something once and telling the person who plays it to play it again.

I was talking on SiriuxXM about songs I heard once that I remembered and thought about until they came out on wax. One was “Superstar”…from “Jesus Christ Superstar.” I heard it on underground FM radio, this was long before it became a stage musical.

And Danny Wilde’s “Isn’t It Enough” from his album “The Boyfriend,” which was ultimately a hit for Patty Smyth and Scandal. I was in a meeting with Lionel Conway of Island Publishing and he played it and…

So you’ve got to go back to work, this is the challenge. And not only are you competing with the hits of today, but all the hits of YESTERYEAR!

I’m dying to tell you when I hear something great, see anything great…I watch a streaming series and am so excited that I can’t wait to tell you, and then you watch it too, and tell all your friends about it.

But I can’t tell you how many streaming series I never write about. Some production company spent millions, but it’s not worth your time. Everybody is time-challenged, even babies are overscheduled. But, we’re all still looking for the essence, and the rewards go to those who deliver it.

I could lie and tell you how great “Who Believed in Angels?” is… It would continue to cement my relationship with Elton, and I hear from Brandi now and again, and Andrew Watt was not thrilled that I was not thrilled about that Stones album he produced…listened to that lately?

All of these are professionals, but the bar is higher than ever before.

And we have no problem ignoring you, we’ve got enough on our plate. How can you sneak into our consciousness, how can you make us pay attention?

That’s your job.

A true original.

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