{"id":577,"date":"2006-10-29T06:13:08","date_gmt":"2006-10-29T14:13:08","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/lefsetz.com\/wordpress\/index.php\/archives\/2006\/10\/29\/my-dinner-with-geiger\/"},"modified":"2006-10-29T06:13:08","modified_gmt":"2006-10-29T14:13:08","slug":"my-dinner-with-geiger","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/lefsetz.com\/wordpress\/2006\/10\/29\/my-dinner-with-geiger\/","title":{"rendered":"My Dinner With Geiger"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Well I just woke up from a night of fitful sleep that finally ended when Dave Matthews&#8217; helicopter didn&#8217;t make it over the wall and crashed.\u00c2\u00a0 Just as I was thinking of the perils of the rich, how their advantages put them in circumstances the normal don&#8217;t entertain, I woke up.<\/p>\n<p>Whew!<\/p>\n<p>Funny how your whole life is laid out in relief in the middle of the night in a hotel room.\u00c2\u00a0 My problem is falling asleep.\u00c2\u00a0 Usually, I can&#8217;t get up.\u00c2\u00a0 But wired, even after a day of air travel and very little sleep, I barely slept Friday night.\u00c2\u00a0 Then last night, when I first awoke, feeling I&#8217;d been down enough, after crashing hard, my watch said it was 3:30 a.m.\u00c2\u00a0 After lying in bed with the thoughts in my head for sixty minutes I wanted to get up and start the day.\u00c2\u00a0 But knowing that I&#8217;d truly crash sometime in the p.m., I hung in there, and eventually fell asleep, and had the above dream, after episodes in which an engineer strung two different topics together in a podcast and an attractive young woman sunning herself told me she&#8217;d killed people in the war.<\/p>\n<p>Speaking of that podcast&#8230;\u00c2\u00a0 It was a mashup of Jethro Tull and Jan &amp; Dean\/surf music.\u00c2\u00a0 Oh, I was so happy when the Tull music first played.\u00c2\u00a0 It was a song off &quot;Benefit&quot;.\u00c2\u00a0 And the assembled multitude got up and DANCED, in FORMATION, I felt like one of those powerful deejays in Ibiza.\u00c2\u00a0 But then, just when they were totally into it, came the strains of &quot;Surf City&quot;.<\/p>\n<p>I ran away.\u00c2\u00a0 Not only to avoid scrutiny, but to try and find out what happened.\u00c2\u00a0 I found a confessing soul and when he agreed to stop the broadcast I decided to let it play, and got on a plane to fly home, whereupon I saw Matthews&#8217; helicopter vainly trying to scale the wall and finally crashing.\u00c2\u00a0 I thought they might live.\u00c2\u00a0 Because the whirlybird wasn&#8217;t made out of metal, but had the characteristics of a giant insect, and almost floated to the ground.\u00c2\u00a0 But the gentleman beside me said they were toast.\u00c2\u00a0 And nobody from the airport seemed to have noticed the crash, so as we approached, I leaned out the window and yelled.\u00c2\u00a0 And the Chinese army ran off to the scene.<\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;m not sure why Dave appeared in my dream.\u00c2\u00a0 Maybe because he&#8217;s the biggest touring act in the U.S. and I was debating in my head the content of today&#8217;s speech, but I know that Tull came from my conversation with Marc Geiger.\u00c2\u00a0 That was the first show he saw.\u00c2\u00a0 In New York City.<\/p>\n<p>Actually, having gone to school in San Diego, I was stunned to find out Geiger had been raised in Stamford, Connecticut.\u00c2\u00a0 This came up when he referenced skiing at Mohawk Mountain.\u00c2\u00a0 A ridge developed by Walt Schoenknecht in the western part of the Nutmeg State before he moved north to Vermont and started Mt. Snow.<\/p>\n<p>Geiger eventually moved to San Francisco, at 17, and seeing Torrey Pines, ended up at the University of San Diego, where he and a pal on the baseball team promoted four sellout concerts.\u00c2\u00a0 A much better average than Jack Utsick.\u00c2\u00a0 And then Marc got picked up by Avalon, Attractions that is.<\/p>\n<p>But Marc is most famous, most notable, most infamous, most well-known&#8230;for ArtistDirect.\u00c2\u00a0 The music business&#8217; own dot com.\u00c2\u00a0 Which failed just about as miserably as every other dot com.<\/p>\n<p>But speaking to Marc last night, it was clear, he was just ahead of his time.<\/p>\n<p>Most people in this business don&#8217;t take a long term view.\u00c2\u00a0 They believe how it&#8217;s happening today is how it&#8217;s going to happen tomorrow.\u00c2\u00a0 But Marc is interested in tomorrow.\u00c2\u00a0 And that&#8217;s what we talked about, endlessly, at this Italian restaurant Cocotoo where Tony said the food wasn&#8217;t first class, but you could get a TABLE!<\/p>\n<p>Marc started telling me about the chasm.\u00c2\u00a0 That&#8217;s coming Christmas 2007.\u00c2\u00a0 When CDs tank.<\/p>\n<p>I was stunned, because Marc was the first person in the business who saw it as I did.\u00c2\u00a0 That the iTunes Music Store wasn&#8217;t going to save the labels, and that iPod penetration and stealing would decimate them, leaving a string of red ink.<\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;m not sure about the timing, nor is Marc, but it&#8217;s definitely coming.\u00c2\u00a0 And the obvious question is what the labels are going to do about it.<\/p>\n<p>Marc believed I was with Guerinot, favoring an ISP tax.\u00c2\u00a0 Actually, I&#8217;m between Marc and Guerinot.\u00c2\u00a0 I think you should only pay if you WANT music, knowing that if you haven&#8217;t signed up and THEN partake you&#8217;re going to get your ass sued, heavily.\u00c2\u00a0 Marc wants special ISPs, that offer music.\u00c2\u00a0 Or third party companies that work in conjunction with ISPs, like an American Express, to collect.\u00c2\u00a0 And Marc believes there should be tiers.\u00c2\u00a0 If you want live, it&#8217;s extra.\u00c2\u00a0 If you want every Neil Young ever, it&#8217;s extra.\u00c2\u00a0 I believe this is hard to police, yet our hearts are in the same place.\u00c2\u00a0 But will the labels do this?<\/p>\n<p>Not at first Marc thought.\u00c2\u00a0 And when they did they&#8217;d start off pussyfooting..\u00c2\u00a0 First, eliminating DRM from the iTunes Music Store, to level the playing field for other entrants.\u00c2\u00a0 Then, offering catalog for a flat rate, then&#8230;\u00c2\u00a0 EVENTUALLY agreeing to an all you can eat service for a certain price per month.\u00c2\u00a0 Because they&#8217;re going to have to, for the majors will be awash in red ink.<\/p>\n<p>Actually, the majors end up forever transformed in Marc&#8217;s world.\u00c2\u00a0 Purveying catalog and at most one or two new acts per month.\u00c2\u00a0 The rest of the newbies are funded by&#8230;him?<\/p>\n<p>Oh, Marc hasn&#8217;t lost the entrepreneurial spirit.\u00c2\u00a0 And speaking to him, with his confidence and slight deprecation, you can see why he GOT all that money back in the nineties.\u00c2\u00a0 And now Marc wants venture capital funds to back investment in new acts.\u00c2\u00a0 You get cash and William Morris&#8217; marketing prowess in return for&#8230;a percentage of your revenue.\u00c2\u00a0 Forever?\u00c2\u00a0 The details haven&#8217;t been worked out in Marc&#8217;s head.\u00c2\u00a0 But if you think about it, the agent\/touring business is the only arm of the music world that remains somewhat unchanged by the Internet.\u00c2\u00a0 And, with radio play a joke, and money required to finance operations, his idea that they&#8217;re the logical players in the future is interesting.<\/p>\n<p>And after Tony tried to convince us that Fall Out Boy and Panic! At The Disco were the new Led Zeppelin, I asked Marc what he&#8217;d learned at ArtistDirect.<\/p>\n<p>First, not to listen to anybody but himself.\u00c2\u00a0 He&#8217;d bought companies to ready the enterprise to go public and had turned down an offer from Yahoo because the venture capital men said it was too low.\u00c2\u00a0 Both mistakes.\u00c2\u00a0 They didn&#8217;t know his world, he did.<\/p>\n<p>Second, he learned that you can&#8217;t trust artists.\u00c2\u00a0 Tony had told him, but he didn&#8217;t believe him.\u00c2\u00a0 If you haven&#8217;t been fucked over by an act, you just have never functioned in management.\u00c2\u00a0 It&#8217;s not the whims that are so hard to fathom\/sustain, but the ABANDONMENT, the lack of TRUST!\u00c2\u00a0 An artist only has one career.\u00c2\u00a0 He does what&#8217;s expedient for himself.\u00c2\u00a0 As for you?\u00c2\u00a0 Well, even though you gave him money and took his middle of the night phone call, you&#8217;re expendable.<\/p>\n<p>But how did Marc feel when it all collapsed?\u00c2\u00a0 Wasn&#8217;t he depressed?\u00c2\u00a0 How did he pull it all back together?<\/p>\n<p>The answer I got was not one I was prepared for.\u00c2\u00a0 His mother being a survivor, the collapse of ArtistDirect was a blip, something he could dust off his arms and move right on from.\u00c2\u00a0 After all, he didn&#8217;t see his father shot to death in a concentration camp.<\/p>\n<p>And after hearing about how Marc&#8217;s four and eight year olds pooh-pooh the Beatles but LIVE for Queen and the Beastie Boys, not only the hits but the deep tracks, I got into it with Webbo.<\/p>\n<p>John Clancy Webster used to work at Virgin Records.\u00c2\u00a0 But you know him best by his legacy.\u00c2\u00a0 He created the NOW series, and the Mercury Prize.<\/p>\n<p>A guy like this in the U.S. would be pompous.\u00c2\u00a0 Stuck up.\u00c2\u00a0 Hard to know and certainly loath to speak to anybody but his long time 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