{"id":5495,"date":"2012-05-25T06:39:46","date_gmt":"2012-05-25T14:39:46","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/lefsetz.com\/wordpress\/?p=5495"},"modified":"2012-05-25T06:39:46","modified_gmt":"2012-05-25T14:39:46","slug":"chuggy-warnock","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/lefsetz.com\/wordpress\/2012\/05\/25\/chuggy-warnock\/","title":{"rendered":"Chuggy &#038; Warnock"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>One&#8217;s a promoter and one&#8217;s an agent. And I figured I wouldn&#8217;t learn a single thing from either of them.<\/p>\n<p>But I did.<\/p>\n<p>What I liked most was Neil Warnock saying they were in it for the long haul, unlike the labels. We&#8217;ve known for two decades the labels don&#8217;t care about longevity, but what about the agents? Well, the difference is the people working at the label don&#8217;t own it. They&#8217;re working for a salary. On a relatively short term contract. Their loyalty is to themselves, not the act. At most their loyalty is to the company. But that&#8217;s not how it works in the agency world. If you can construct a roster, you don&#8217;t want to give it up. People wash out of the agency business, but if you make it, you&#8217;re in it forever. And if you jump agencies, usually most of your clients come with you. This is so different from the labels.<\/p>\n<p>And Chuggy kept on saying that the labels had no money. And if something worked, they took all the credit&#8230;BUT HE TOOK ALL THE MONEY!<\/p>\n<p>This is the world the agents and promoters are working in. The new world. The revolution already happened in their sphere. Napster, piracy&#8230;they&#8217;re all in the rearview mirror. Agents and promoters are the A&amp;R guys now.<\/p>\n<p>Yup, it&#8217;s agents who are out in the clubs til all hours. And they sign a few bands and they use their leverage to get opening slots and if there&#8217;s no reaction&#8230;they&#8217;re dropped. You don&#8217;t want a label, you want an AGENT! Hell, sometimes the Agency Group signs acts that not only don&#8217;t have a label, they don&#8217;t even have a manager! The Agency Group helps them get one.<\/p>\n<p>And Neil said the label&#8217;s priorities are different. And they&#8217;re more about no than yes. Neil will get word that promoters are willing to book an act in a territory, but the label will say no, they&#8217;ll utter something about not having a release date, or being between singles. Neil talks to the acts and they go anyway. You see you want to put in your time, you want to build something.<\/p>\n<p>Chuggy said acts oftentimes lose money on their first three tours. It&#8217;s not only the promoter who&#8217;s operating in the red. They come without their favorite amps, their cherished roadies, they humbly appear Down Under with something to prove. And if they&#8217;ve got it, they make it.<\/p>\n<p>And there was a lot of language about loyalty. To not only the act, but each other.<\/p>\n<p>You see there&#8217;s no time limit on the relationship between act and agent. No intellectual property that keeps the act there. You&#8217;ve not only got to be honest, you&#8217;ve got to produce. But sometimes it does end. Usually, you know, at least that&#8217;s what Neil said&#8230;someone else can do a better job. And Chuggy said the same thing. That he did five tours with Chris Isaak, the last was a loser, he passed on the next one and someone else took it and it was Chris&#8217;s biggest tour in Australia ever. But that&#8217;s o.k., Chuggy had lost the passion.<\/p>\n<p>And it is all about passion. Chuggy was loath to do Pearl Jam in stadiums. But he took on the job, made it an event and sold a boatload of tickets. Then again, Chuggy is a promoter. That&#8217;s what a promoter does, promote. He&#8217;s not just a bank.<\/p>\n<p>And Chuggy was incredibly knowledgeable about the new world. He said he didn&#8217;t know sixty percent of the acts he promoted, he listened to the young &#8216;uns in his employ, but he saw the formation of new entities, run by artists, with those providing label-like functions doing it for very little money. Just like Zeppelin flipped the deal to 90\/10, with the act getting the lion&#8217;s share of the money, expect the same to happen with recorded music.<\/p>\n<p>And Warnock said the recorded music was a souvenir. Whether you bought it at the show or at home thereafter. It was to help you remember.<\/p>\n<p>This is where the rubber meets the road. Onstage.<\/p>\n<p>And there you can&#8217;t do it alone. You do need a team. Both agent and promoter. It&#8217;s a dirty business, but you&#8217;ve got to trust those you work with. They&#8217;ve got to have relationships. And when you start out, everyone&#8217;s taking a risk.<\/p>\n<p>Remember who did you a solid, who invested in you, who lost money.<\/p>\n<p>Because they certainly do.<\/p>\n<blockquote style=\"margin-right: 0px;\" dir=\"ltr\">\n<div style=\"margin-left: 40px;\">\n<a href=\"http:\/\/bit.ly\/LukAhj\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Neil Warnock\">Neil Warnock<\/a><\/p>\n<p><a title=\"Michael Chugg\" target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/bit.ly\/JXABSDz\">Michael Chugg<\/a><\/div>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p><\/p>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>One&#8217;s a promoter and one&#8217;s an agent. And I figured I wouldn&#8217;t learn a single thing from either of them. But I did. What I liked most was Neil Warnock saying they were in it for the long haul, unlike the labels. 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