{"id":177,"date":"2005-10-02T16:59:25","date_gmt":"2005-10-02T23:59:25","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/lefsetz.com\/wordpress\/index.php\/archives\/2005\/10\/02\/manchester-sunday\/"},"modified":"2005-10-02T17:17:43","modified_gmt":"2005-10-03T00:17:43","slug":"manchester-sunday","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/lefsetz.com\/wordpress\/2005\/10\/02\/manchester-sunday\/","title":{"rendered":"Manchester-Sunday"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>You see in England they still believe.\u00c2\u00a0 In the power of rock and roll.\u00c2\u00a0 In <br \/>the artistic statement.\u00c2\u00a0 In the music industry.<\/p>\n<p>It&#8217;s very different in the States.\u00c2\u00a0 Everybody&#8217;s jaded.\u00c2\u00a0 It all comes down to <br \/>the bucks.\u00c2\u00a0 It&#8217;s totally o.k. to go for them, and he who collects the most <br \/>wins.<\/p>\n<p>Maybe it&#8217;s that Englishmen have a long history of not winning.\u00c2\u00a0 Against <br \/>institutionalized classism.\u00c2\u00a0 Across the pond we&#8217;ve got the American dream.\u00c2\u00a0 Work <br \/>hard enough and not only can you be rich, you can possess power too.\u00c2\u00a0 Whereas no matter how hard you work in the U.K. you&#8217;re still the punter, the poor chap <br \/>from the midlands.\u00c2\u00a0 On the cover of the NME on one day, back at work in the <br \/>shop almost the next.\u00c2\u00a0 So, in your limited time in the spotlight you want to make <br \/>a statement.\u00c2\u00a0 You&#8217;re not so worried about endorsements, if you get any, <br \/>they&#8217;re not going to last.\u00c2\u00a0 The system is against you, so you might as well rail <br \/>against it.<\/p>\n<p>The system is beyond rigged in the U.S.\u00c2\u00a0 Radio spins very few records and MTV <br \/>plays almost no music.\u00c2\u00a0 And on some level the major labels, in control, like <br \/>this.\u00c2\u00a0 For it keeps the indies out.\u00c2\u00a0 What did Tommy Silverman say?\u00c2\u00a0 The indies <br \/>have 27% of sales and less than half of that in airplay?<\/p>\n<p>Whereas they tell me John Kennedy, as head of the BPI, got rid of <br \/>chart-rigging.\u00c2\u00a0 There&#8217;s a sense that there&#8217;s a level playing field, and anybody can <br \/>compete.\u00c2\u00a0 In the U.S. we know better.<\/p>\n<p>Will the U.K. follow the U.S?\u00c2\u00a0 Unclear.\u00c2\u00a0 Maybe they&#8217;re just that different.<\/p>\n<p>One of the big points of discussion here is why U.K. hip-hop can&#8217;t connect in <br \/>the U.S.\u00c2\u00a0 I tell everybody they&#8217;re under the illusion it&#8217;s about MUSIC, <br \/>whereas in the U.S. hip-hop is about culture.\u00c2\u00a0 They don&#8217;t want some middle class <br \/>limey invading their territory.\u00c2\u00a0 It&#8217;s not that different from a battle between <br \/>the Bloods and the Crips.\u00c2\u00a0 Only, in this case, it&#8217;s more like the Bloods and <br \/>the Suburbanites.<\/p>\n<p>You see in the U.S., the major system is dying, it&#8217;s shrinking.\u00c2\u00a0 That indie <br \/>airplay statistic?\u00c2\u00a0 That&#8217;s for terrestrial radio only.\u00c2\u00a0 Indie records match <br \/>their sales in airplay on satellite.<\/p>\n<p>You see, America is indie heaven.\u00c2\u00a0 The indies are about to take over.\u00c2\u00a0 <br \/>Whereas the indies in the U.K., the land of the traditional renegade, are bitching <br \/>and whining that the majors are fucking them.\u00c2\u00a0 Whereas the true indies of the <br \/>U.S. are taking matters in their own hands.\u00c2\u00a0 Doing what the majors don&#8217;t.\u00c2\u00a0 <br \/>Developing career bands.\u00c2\u00a0 Marketing them on the Internet.\u00c2\u00a0 Using fan clubs to fill <br \/>venues.\u00c2\u00a0 It&#8217;s all about the music in indieland.\u00c2\u00a0 And that&#8217;s exciting.<\/p>\n<p>Then again, in the U.K., music never lost its exalted position.\u00c2\u00a0 It&#8217;s not a <br \/>second-class citizen.\u00c2\u00a0 People still follow the acts, and go to see them.\u00c2\u00a0 Hell, <br \/>I even heard a rock song in a fast food joint today.\u00c2\u00a0 Startled me.\u00c2\u00a0 That it&#8217;s <br \/>not only hip-hop on the Top Forty.<\/p>\n<p>The day started off with Seymour Stein being interviewed by Tony about his <br \/>top ten records.<\/p>\n<p>All these years later it was stunning to see Seymour&#8217;s track record.\u00c2\u00a0 And <br \/>Seymour told the story of how he signed these acts.\u00c2\u00a0 But that was a different <br \/>era.\u00c2\u00a0 One wherein you had to fly to a different country to experience a band.\u00c2\u00a0 A <br \/>day before e-mail and webcasts.\u00c2\u00a0 You can&#8217;t be early anymore.\u00c2\u00a0 Everybody knows <br \/>everything almost instantly.\u00c2\u00a0 And the majors only want hits.\u00c2\u00a0 And a hit is no <br \/>longer gold, but double platinum.\u00c2\u00a0 Still, to see the introductory videos&#8230;\u00c2\u00a0 <br \/>Seeing David Byrne floating on the water in &quot;Once In A Lifetime&quot;.\u00c2\u00a0 Madonna in <br \/>&quot;Borderline&quot;.\u00c2\u00a0 It reminded one of those days.\u00c2\u00a0 When we still believed in the <br \/>U.S.\u00c2\u00a0 When MTV was more exciting than network television.\u00c2\u00a0 When acts were all <br \/>about creativity, stretching out, testing the limits, not being in fashion <br \/>spreads.<\/p>\n<p>But those days are gone.\u00c2\u00a0 The videos on MTV today don&#8217;t resemble these quaint <br \/>clips of yore.\u00c2\u00a0 Today&#8217;s videos are slick mini-movies.\u00c2\u00a0 They don&#8217;t have the <br \/>heart of rock and roll.\u00c2\u00a0 And without the heart you&#8217;ve got no soul.\u00c2\u00a0 And the <br \/>American business has got no soul.<\/p>\n<p>Oh, Seymour told some great stories.\u00c2\u00a0 Reading in the NME about a band playing <br \/>that night in the U.K., picking up his credit card and driving to Kennedy to <br \/>take the Concorde for the very first time, barely making it to the gig.\u00c2\u00a0 <br \/>Insisting Madonna come to the hospital so he could sign her, for fear she&#8217;d be <br \/>picked up by somebody else.\u00c2\u00a0 Getting a shave and haircut and sending out for a new bathrobe but the soon to be Material Girl not caring, being just so thrilled <br \/>to be signed.\u00c2\u00a0 To a deal for ONE SINGLE!\u00c2\u00a0 With an option for a SECOND single.\u00c2\u00a0 <br \/>And then a THIRD single.\u00c2\u00a0 And THEN an album!<\/p>\n<p>Running out of money in his A&amp;R budget and getting the head of Warner <br \/>publishing to start a new label and then pay for him to sign Echo &amp; the Bunnymen, who he&#8217;d seen the night before.\u00c2\u00a0 And, really, they were called the Bunnymen, and <br \/>Echo represented the drum machine for this drummerless band.<\/p>\n<p>And towards the end, Jimmy Pursey of Sham 69 walked by the stage and said <br \/>that Seymour owed him forty quid.\u00c2\u00a0 For a cab ride long ago.<\/p>\n<p>And then Seymour departed for the train station, for London.\u00c2\u00a0 And I went on.\u00c2\u00a0 <br \/>And then the aforementioned Jimmy.<\/p>\n<p>Turns out that Tony Blair used one of the old punk&#8217;s compositions as the <br \/>underpinning of a new campaign.\u00c2\u00a0 Jimmy was just sitting at home, contemplating how broke he was, and a friend called him and told him to turn on the tube, that <br \/>Tony Blair was using HIS SONG!<\/p>\n<p>Usually these old musicians are broken men.<\/p>\n<p>And although Jimmy seemed to have broken teeth, he was eloquent, and what he <br \/>said rang true.\u00c2\u00a0 That punk was not about talent, but having the balls to get <br \/>up on stage and be yourself and get people to LISTEN TO YOU!<\/p>\n<p>Actually, that was similar to Seymour&#8217;s single point of advice.\u00c2\u00a0 Have the <br \/>courage of your convictions.\u00c2\u00a0 Believe in yourself.\u00c2\u00a0 His biggest regrets are when <br \/>he listened to other people and passed on bands, did 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