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		<title>By: John McKay</title>
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		<dc:creator>John McKay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2007 16:37:42 +0000</pubDate>
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This might be even worse...

http://www.mysocialmarketing.com/shop/index.php?categoryID=86

You can now pay to get profile views and song plays for your band on MySpace. ie: Make-believe fans. 

They make it seem as though you need at least 25,000 views to attract major labels.

Too bad they can&#039;t clone humans to fill venues.

John McKay
Fenton, MI</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This might be even worse&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.mysocialmarketing.com/shop/index.php?categoryID=86" rel="nofollow">http://www.mysocialmarketing.com/shop/index.php?categoryID=86</a></p>
<p>You can now pay to get profile views and song plays for your band on MySpace. ie: Make-believe fans. </p>
<p>They make it seem as though you need at least 25,000 views to attract major labels.</p>
<p>Too bad they can&#8217;t clone humans to fill venues.</p>
<p>John McKay<br />
Fenton, MI</p>
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		<title>By: Anon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2007 16:37:26 +0000</pubDate>
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Anyone saying Tila&#039;s numbers are organic is lying and insulting our intelligence at the same time.  Tila used a bot for both friend adding and comment broadcasting.  She even openly thanked/advertised for them in the comments.  You can find the proof here (&lt;a title=&quot;Tila&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; href=&quot;http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&amp;client=safari&amp;rls=en&amp;q=site%3Amyspace.com+tila+tequila+www.silent-products.com&amp;btnG=Search&quot;&gt;Google&lt;/a&gt;) by clicking on the cached version of the pages.  You will see this comment posted by Tila Tequila:

hey just a test for a little program I got to 

message all my friends. So now everyone 

can get a comment from me  :) 

the program is over here: 

http://www.silentproducts.cjb.net kisses

More on that here (http://web.archive.org/web/20060423165114/http://www.silent-products.com/) as well. The use of bots for comment broadcasting on MySpace was against Terms of Service at this time and she should have had her account removed but was given preferential treatment.  Kind of similar to the way that Hollywood Undead are still listed in the &quot;Unsigned&quot; category of MySpace&#039;s ranking system and given 8 songs in their player so that they can stomp the smaller bands and stay in the top ten.  You may also notice One Republic (Interscope) and Hawthorne Heights (Virgin) in the top ten as &quot;Unsigned&quot;.  MySpace has lost a lot of the credibility they once had with artists due to their total lack of respect for any band/label who are not paying them.  As the person stated in a previous email, MySpace allows major label bands to use bots with no consequence.  I have seen the evidence of this firsthand.  I see a mass exodus from that site happening in the next year or so.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;On the off chance that you print this please leave my name off as I don&#039;t really feel like having my account deleted should a MySpace employee happen across this...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone saying Tila&#8217;s numbers are organic is lying and insulting our intelligence at the same time.  Tila used a bot for both friend adding and comment broadcasting.  She even openly thanked/advertised for them in the comments.  You can find the proof here (<a title="Tila" target="_blank" href="http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&#038;client=safari&#038;rls=en&#038;q=site%3Amyspace.com+tila+tequila+www.silent-products.com&#038;btnG=Search">Google</a>) by clicking on the cached version of the pages.  You will see this comment posted by Tila Tequila:</p>
<p>hey just a test for a little program I got to </p>
<p>message all my friends. So now everyone </p>
<p>can get a comment from me  <img src='http://lefsetz.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>the program is over here: </p>
<p><a href="http://www.silentproducts.cjb.net" rel="nofollow">http://www.silentproducts.cjb.net</a> kisses</p>
<p>More on that here (<a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20060423165114/http://www.silent-products.com/" rel="nofollow">http://web.archive.org/web/20060423165114/http://www.silent-products.com/</a>) as well. The use of bots for comment broadcasting on MySpace was against Terms of Service at this time and she should have had her account removed but was given preferential treatment.  Kind of similar to the way that Hollywood Undead are still listed in the &quot;Unsigned&quot; category of MySpace&#8217;s ranking system and given 8 songs in their player so that they can stomp the smaller bands and stay in the top ten.  You may also notice One Republic (Interscope) and Hawthorne Heights (Virgin) in the top ten as &quot;Unsigned&quot;.  MySpace has lost a lot of the credibility they once had with artists due to their total lack of respect for any band/label who are not paying them.  As the person stated in a previous email, MySpace allows major label bands to use bots with no consequence.  I have seen the evidence of this firsthand.  I see a mass exodus from that site happening in the next year or so.  </p>
<p>On the off chance that you print this please leave my name off as I don&#8217;t really feel like having my account deleted should a MySpace employee happen across this&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Brian L. Klein</title>
		<link>http://lefsetz.com/wordpress/index.php/archives/2007/04/26/interesting-e-mail/#comment-58823</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian L. Klein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2007 16:36:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was asked to put a proposal in to Renshaw&#039;s office to promote Tila&#039;s single online.  It was designed to set up the release in a &quot;super distribution&quot; plan that I came up with.  I&#039;ve been very successful with this technique with the artist I manage named Joe Purdy.  We&#039;ve sold over 250k single downloads worldwide this past year and a half with no label.  I&#039;m doing this with all of the artists I manage. I&#039;ve been working with majors and indies for years.  I&#039;m done with them.  We are actually making money on record royalties this early in the game and reinvesting it!!

Renshaw&#039;s office decided not to hire me.  They fucked up.  With the traffic Tila gets every day and her reach she should have done much better.  Her music isn&#039;t amazing but neither is a lot of shit that sells.   They had one tiny buy button on her front page leading to itunes. NOTHING viral besides the video. 

The reason I was excited to work on the project was her reach. 1.6 million &quot;friends&quot; should have had a bigger impact if executed properly. It was embarrassing to see what happened.  They ended up hiring the same old &quot;new media&quot; marketing company every label hires.  Her traffic should have been used to create thousands of front doors to her Itunes page.  There was NOTHING forward thinking or exciting about what they did.  

I understand where the digital market is headed so don&#039;t respond with anything about Snocap already doing this and music should be free.  I get that.  Right now it&#039;s all about effort and not what you spend and its about empowering and connecting with your base to help you grow and spread your music.   The economics in the digital world do not work for big companies but for now they work for me.  

My artists have never seen income off of record sales at a label unless they&#039;ve recouped and then they earn 12-14%?  The way I have it set up is we use the income to market, promote and create and OWN the content.  All of Purdys albums stream for free on his website.  We now sell 20-35k downloads per month.  We release records when we want to and as often as we want to.  We measure our own success.  For the first time as a manager I don&#039;t have to worry about managing a label&#039;s enthusiasm and I&#039;m having a blast!!  

Joe records an album in 6-8 days.  Last year he recorded one in London, Paris and New York.  We just recorded on in Scotland 2 weeks ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was asked to put a proposal in to Renshaw&#8217;s office to promote Tila&#8217;s single online.  It was designed to set up the release in a &quot;super distribution&quot; plan that I came up with.  I&#8217;ve been very successful with this technique with the artist I manage named Joe Purdy.  We&#8217;ve sold over 250k single downloads worldwide this past year and a half with no label.  I&#8217;m doing this with all of the artists I manage. I&#8217;ve been working with majors and indies for years.  I&#8217;m done with them.  We are actually making money on record royalties this early in the game and reinvesting it!!</p>
<p>Renshaw&#8217;s office decided not to hire me.  They fucked up.  With the traffic Tila gets every day and her reach she should have done much better.  Her music isn&#8217;t amazing but neither is a lot of shit that sells.   They had one tiny buy button on her front page leading to itunes. NOTHING viral besides the video. </p>
<p>The reason I was excited to work on the project was her reach. 1.6 million &quot;friends&quot; should have had a bigger impact if executed properly. It was embarrassing to see what happened.  They ended up hiring the same old &quot;new media&quot; marketing company every label hires.  Her traffic should have been used to create thousands of front doors to her Itunes page.  There was NOTHING forward thinking or exciting about what they did.  </p>
<p>I understand where the digital market is headed so don&#8217;t respond with anything about Snocap already doing this and music should be free.  I get that.  Right now it&#8217;s all about effort and not what you spend and its about empowering and connecting with your base to help you grow and spread your music.   The economics in the digital world do not work for big companies but for now they work for me.  </p>
<p>My artists have never seen income off of record sales at a label unless they&#8217;ve recouped and then they earn 12-14%?  The way I have it set up is we use the income to market, promote and create and OWN the content.  All of Purdys albums stream for free on his website.  We now sell 20-35k downloads per month.  We release records when we want to and as often as we want to.  We measure our own success.  For the first time as a manager I don&#8217;t have to worry about managing a label&#8217;s enthusiasm and I&#8217;m having a blast!!  </p>
<p>Joe records an album in 6-8 days.  Last year he recorded one in London, Paris and New York.  We just recorded on in Scotland 2 weeks ago.</p>
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		<title>By: Khalid Nurredin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Khalid Nurredin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2007 16:36:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really hate to reply to ignorance, but sometimes it gets so deep I have to put on my boots and reply. I happen to own Vegas Flava Records and don&#039;t work for any marketing company that falsely boosts numbers.

You can tell by the tastelessness of Morgan&#039;s reply that obviously her mother failed to teach her good manners.

You can believe b.s. or you can believe Soundscan. If you listened to Tila&#039;s music, you really have to be on crack to think any major A&amp;R listened past the first ten seconds on any cut! I&#039;m not pushing any marketing company, but if you have 2,000,000 hardcore fans, you don&#039;t have a sell-through of 02%!(If she sold 30,000) If I want to pay $1500.00 per month I can get just as many eyeball views. As an analyst I love to get through when someone blatantly lies.

Let&#039;s just say it only takes 30 seconds to approve a friend&#039;s request. At 2,000,0000 friends you&#039;d have to spend 1 million minutes to do it, which means 16,666 man hours (694 days non-stop) just to approve friends if you didn&#039;t use a robot. The two messages either were sent by Tila or some coked-out flunkies. I don&#039;t like or appreciate it when someone impugns my integrity, but I have to consider the source. What else could you expect from an ex porn star? (and I can email the pictures if anyone wants to say I&#039;m lying) 

So if the 100,000 daily views are real, where are the sales? Check out Anthony Hamilton for example. He has 18,000 friends and is closing on 750,000 units! You&#039;re telling me that she has 36,500,000 daily page views per year and she only moved 30,000 singles?

Did you even pass 8th grade Algebra? The numbers don&#039;t add up to anything but one big lie! And the song she has on iTunes wasn&#039;t a &quot;real&quot; record? Then what was it, spring training? You had it produced by &quot;Little Jon&quot; but it was just practice? 

The record companies know the extreme numbers on Myspace are boosted. How many friends does Norah Jones have? (no official myspace page) How many units has she moved? And would Ms. Strawberry name each error I made? I&#039;ll debate her point by point on every one. Don&#039;t push it Tila, we&#039;re on to you.I  rest my case.

P.S. When I said &quot;you&quot; I meant Tila&#039;s apologists not you personally. Tila is the musical equivilant of Enron, all hype and no substance. I hope you didn&#039;t take my reply as a personal attack. I was just incensed that someone who doesn&#039;t know me could attack me personally, when the numbers just don&#039;t add up no matter how you work them. You can include this if you&#039;re using my rebuttal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really hate to reply to ignorance, but sometimes it gets so deep I have to put on my boots and reply. I happen to own Vegas Flava Records and don&#8217;t work for any marketing company that falsely boosts numbers.</p>
<p>You can tell by the tastelessness of Morgan&#8217;s reply that obviously her mother failed to teach her good manners.</p>
<p>You can believe b.s. or you can believe Soundscan. If you listened to Tila&#8217;s music, you really have to be on crack to think any major A&amp;R listened past the first ten seconds on any cut! I&#8217;m not pushing any marketing company, but if you have 2,000,000 hardcore fans, you don&#8217;t have a sell-through of 02%!(If she sold 30,000) If I want to pay $1500.00 per month I can get just as many eyeball views. As an analyst I love to get through when someone blatantly lies.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s just say it only takes 30 seconds to approve a friend&#8217;s request. At 2,000,0000 friends you&#8217;d have to spend 1 million minutes to do it, which means 16,666 man hours (694 days non-stop) just to approve friends if you didn&#8217;t use a robot. The two messages either were sent by Tila or some coked-out flunkies. I don&#8217;t like or appreciate it when someone impugns my integrity, but I have to consider the source. What else could you expect from an ex porn star? (and I can email the pictures if anyone wants to say I&#8217;m lying) </p>
<p>So if the 100,000 daily views are real, where are the sales? Check out Anthony Hamilton for example. He has 18,000 friends and is closing on 750,000 units! You&#8217;re telling me that she has 36,500,000 daily page views per year and she only moved 30,000 singles?</p>
<p>Did you even pass 8th grade Algebra? The numbers don&#8217;t add up to anything but one big lie! And the song she has on iTunes wasn&#8217;t a &quot;real&quot; record? Then what was it, spring training? You had it produced by &quot;Little Jon&quot; but it was just practice? </p>
<p>The record companies know the extreme numbers on Myspace are boosted. How many friends does Norah Jones have? (no official myspace page) How many units has she moved? And would Ms. Strawberry name each error I made? I&#8217;ll debate her point by point on every one. Don&#8217;t push it Tila, we&#8217;re on to you.I  rest my case.</p>
<p>P.S. When I said &quot;you&quot; I meant Tila&#8217;s apologists not you personally. Tila is the musical equivilant of Enron, all hype and no substance. I hope you didn&#8217;t take my reply as a personal attack. I was just incensed that someone who doesn&#8217;t know me could attack me personally, when the numbers just don&#8217;t add up no matter how you work them. You can include this if you&#8217;re using my rebuttal.</p>
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		<title>By: NiNi</title>
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		<dc:creator>NiNi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Apr 2007 21:22:36 +0000</pubDate>
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Bob, 

I totally remember declining Tila Tequila&#039;s friend request.

-NiNi
myspace.com/corvo</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob, </p>
<p>I totally remember declining Tila Tequila&#8217;s friend request.</p>
<p>-NiNi<br />
myspace.com/corvo</p>
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